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Rumor Ron Being Shopped

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RoxFan4Ever, Jan 22, 2009.

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  1. aelliott

    aelliott Member

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    Guys over 7'4" is a pretty small sample size. I could find 10 ( including Yao) guys total that were 7'4" and over. The problem with most of them is that they couldn't play. If you look at the other 9 guys, I'd actually argue that those guys careers were extended longer than their talent would dictate.

    Bol 10 yrs
    Muresan 6 years
    Bradley 12 years
    Nevitt 9 years
    Eaton 11 Years
    Smits 12 Years

    Who are the 7'4 guys that had their careers shortened? Ralph to a knee injury? Hey knee injuries ended the careers of Spud and Mugsy, so does that mean that short guys can't last either?
     
  2. Shaud

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    I would like it if we could get Bosh to compliment Yao. Scola will be a lil older than so I wouldn't mind him coming off the bench then. If Landry continues to develop his game maybe he can play the 3 starting or off the bench. If we sign Bosh, keep Yao, do you think we should bring back T-Mac if he takes less money? I think we definitely need a wingman to go with them or a solid PG.
     
  3. RedRowdy111

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    Back to Clutchs prediction of Artest getting traded to Miami....I was looking throught the Miami roster, and really nobody besides Marion really looks worth getting. Marion makes more than double what Artest makes this year, so to make salaries match, we would have to give up on either Battier, Alston, or T-Mac to make such a deal work. The only other player on the Heat roster that would even be a possibility would be Haslem which makes about what Artest makes, but then again, if a even swap of Haslem for Artest would basically just be adding to our strongest position in terms of depth, being the PF along with Scola, Landry, and Hayes....making a deal for Haslem seem lackluster. Any other ideas? I was just trying to scan Clutchs prediction, but I really dont see a deal with Miami that would help the Rockets.

    Anyone with another take on this?
     
  4. Shaud

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    Here is my question for you people that want Mike Miller

    I hear people saying Wafer makes Artest expendable.

    Well with the emergence of Wafer wouldn't that mean we do not need Mike Miller?
     
  5. ROXTXIA

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    Referring to a few posts ago:

    Please, no posts about trades involving Dwade.

    Miami would never, ever, ever trade him. If Cleveland offered LeBron (another never, never, never), then maybe.

    As far as Ron in Charlotte, didn't the city lose its original franchise because they got fed up by Paul Shinn's antics? Ron has been on his best behavior, but his reputation precedes him, just as it did here. Maybe the populace there could be wooed over, but you would think they wouldn't trade away anyone useful unless they thought of re-signing Ron. And they're already regretting Gerald Wallace's long-term contract.

    Unless that's the player we target, which I kinda doubt.
     
  6. RedRowdy111

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    Well, I guess that wouldnt be a horrible deal. Mike Miller and T-Mac are really good friends from their stint in Orlando. Houston would have to add some more salary to make the deal work, so a:

    Artest
    Head

    for

    M. Miller
    and maybe a draft pick would be good.

    Really though, I would rather hold on the Artest for the playoffs in this situation though.
     
  7. emjohn

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    Ron to Miami - I don't see a real trade there if Marion/O'Neal happens. Even if we are talking Marion, we need a lot more salary to make it work. I like Haslem, but there's no room for him here. Jones and Blount are awful. Wade isn't going anywhere.

    Ron to NYC - Q-Richardson? I don't see them moving David Lee for a rental.

    I still think Chicago is a treasure trove of a trade partner. Aside from Rose, who WOULDN'T they trade right now? And these aren't terrible value guys either. Deng and Hinrich are good players with overpriced contracts. Hughes is up in 2010 (magic number). Nocioni is a very nice role player at the 3. Thomas & Sefolosha can't find enough minutes. Gooden matches and also expires this year. The team is almost certainly going to overhaul the roster around Rose. If I wanted to deal anyone, they're who I call.

    Again, I'd be surprised to find out that the Rockets are determined to move Artest. I really think it's just the normal near-deadline phone calls.

    Evan
     
  8. robywang

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    aside from whether MM brings more than Ron, which I think not,
    why the big fuzz about MM is a good friend of TMac?
    who cares if they are brothers if TMac is not the No.1 he used to be?
     
  9. Shaud

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    Why do people keep doing trades involving Artest for another SF or SG.

    SF and SG are the least of our problems.
     
  10. JoeBarelyCares

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    Artest, Brooks and Head for a 35 year old Nash might be a sell if it gets Phoenix under the luxury tax (while putting us over the tax threshold, Les said he would do this to get a "special" player). Phoenix is cheap enough that maybe they would listen to this?
     
  11. RedRowdy111

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    I think it might just come down to chemistry, we have the talent.
     
  12. Nolocke

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    Agreed, we need an All Star point guard and a decent young back up for Yao.
     
  13. DaronMalakian

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    What I think nowadays really is the same I thought las summer. Ron is a good player, without a doubt, but he needs the team playing for him to help the team. That's same with Bonzi Wells last year, and he was traded. Defensively, Ron can be a good defender, but nothing of that GREAT, so... maybe he's dispensable.

    About Wafer. I don't think he would be the reason of the trade anyway. Wafer is a certainly talented player who has now big confidence and is passing a hot streak, but he's being overrated in this forum. That streak is built around the importance he feels he has on the team. So when he will come back to the bench, the streak is over.

    Miller is a player who doesn't needs the attention of the team to perform. He doesn't needs the team calling ISOs for him, he could come here and off the bench helps us inmediately in his 20-25 minutes of play. He played with Shane and Bonzi in Memphis alternating the minutes, and they were the base of the best Grizzlies ever... Artest is a very good player, but Miller is a very good team player.
     
  14. RocketsPimp

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    1. Prince - maybe. Hamilton - hell no.
    2. Miller - last year, yes. this season, no.
    3. Howard - don't we have enough repeatedly injured players?
    4. Matrix - tough call here. D'Antoni appears to have been dead on in that he is not as good as he thinks he is.
    5. Jefferson - toss in Sessions and maybe we have a deal.
     
  15. robywang

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    If Ron comes off the bench, shouldn't the bench play around him?
    When it comes to end of a close game, if Yao is guarded tight, playing around Ron is certainly a great option to have. Isn't that the purpose to have a guy that can create his own shots? What can you do with Miller in this situation?
     
  16. smoothie

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    i agree with your thought process here. i think detroit and the rockets were seriously talking about a trade. but IIRC the snag was that the rockets wanted billups and the pistons were only willing to part with rip and change.

    i dont think they understood that stuckey was going to be a fixture in the starting 5. moving billups for iverson makes more sense than tmac because AI can play the 1 and keep rip at the 2. well now stuckey has emerged and one of AI/rip has to go to the bench.

    in their current situation, moving rip (who will be unhappy on the bench, and has a contract past 2010) for an ending contract and a guy who will accept a role off the bench would make a lot of sense.
     
  17. Believe

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    I would do Artest and Head for Mike Miller in a heartbeat.. I think he would fit in well with the current squad and maybe motivate his buddy TMac a little bit...

    Works money wise. :D
     
  18. redao

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    Mike Miller is not even 1/3 of a player as Ron.

    I'd take Battier over Mike Miller too.
     
  19. opticon

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    The problem with that trade is we dont have lock down defender at the 3 spot when battier is on the bench or injured.

    If Shane was not coming off a injury and slumping right now I would be less worried.

    But alas that is not the case
     
  20. boby

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    It's simply not fair that a true warier, who worked his ass off for Rockets been shopped while the half-ass, no heart SheMac is not.
    It sent out a wrong message to other Rockets' players.
    It's a shame!
     

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