What is wrong with you? We can let Eddie walk. He doesnt have a high contract. We dont NEEd to throw in 22ppg Cuttino to do that. Im starting to wonder if people that post here are Les boys just trying to cushion the blow for being so damn cheap. Only a cheap ass b*stard would make this trade. So bad that you dont deserve the playoffs if this goes down. And another thing,saving the $$ for Williams expiring contract does not help us since we will still be over the cap next year. Cant sign anybody for more than mle next year regardless if cuttinos contract is cut or not.
if this happens, it would be the worst trade ever. i hate danny ainge already but if this happens, he would further himself on my people i f%ckn hate list.
I just want to know one thing: Can we send our trade exception (7M), Amaechi (3M) and Williams (5M) to Portland for Rasheed Wallace? Now that chemistry's gone, we might as well throw in someone and take back Patterson. Somehow I find this trade hard to believe. Boki's been working hard and improving, Griffin is worth nothing right now, and Mobley is fitting in. Why the hell would we go and do this? I mean, surely, we can get more than that for JUST Mobley. Battie and Williams? Common. Unless there's a follow-up trade, this trade (IMO) will not go through.
Pile up stock by giving him minutes in the preseason. Remember Kenny, he was the starting PF before the trade. BTW, I tried making sense out of this trade, but I still cant convince myself. So respect to those who made props to the trade, or the idea. Battie and Williams for Cat, AND BOKI, E.G. This is insane even for a rumor. It's like a bad egg, man ...
There is just no way. I live in CT and I see the Celts all the time. Battie and Brown are no name scrubs and it would make be vomit if they became rockets for free much less including EG, Boki and Mobes. Give me a break!
This would easily be the worst trade in team history (and one of the worst in league history) and anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete idiot. There's no way around it, if you support this trade you know absolutely NOTHING about basketball. I'd do this trade if it was for Pierce or for J. O'neal, but not for two scrubs.
We won w/out cat, so I guess Van Gundy is assuming that we don't really need him. I mean, I would be perfectly fine with a line up of Steve, JJ, Bokie, Cato, Yao. There's more defense, and all the players that are around Steve and Yao are role players. JVG said he wanted role players to help Steve and Yao, in my book, Cat isn't a role player. He's just one teir below an all-star, mostly because he thinks he can be a super star. I'm sure there are other teams that would be interested in Mobley/Griffin trade. I would hate to waste it on Battie and Williams. Hell, a trade of Mobley and Griffin for Kurt Thomas/pick or extra sounds better at this point.
either him or Le$ , but i truly highly doubt there is any chance of this trade going down, there has to be another team involved, or else another couple of teams involved.
can't we just trade mobley/griff to the warriors or something? The warriors are notorious for their stupidity. I would know! I live in the Bay Area!
I was one of those brave souls, GATER. But now it seems we are at opposite sides. This is a HORRIBLE trade. Eddie might be damaged goods, and people are REALLY overestimating Nachbar, but there isn't enough going on this deal to justify trading Cuttino. No way. For Battie and Williams? Forget it.
Yea sure it was all a ploy just to get out of Houston. Ever thought maybe he has a life outside of basketball? like perhaps, family, a girl friend, or even a baby? Eddie is how old right now, 22? Hes going thru a lot of pressure right now. Im sure this was all a big ploy to get out of Houston. Just bescause people dissagree with you there morons? That makes lots of sence.
here are some Celt fans' views on Battie and Williams at my request. Feel free to weight in with your thoughts on Cat, Eddie and Nachbar if you don't like mine. http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=176833&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=156
I always liked Shareef. I think he is a pretty solid player. And yeah, looking REAL good right about now!
I could live without Cat. I think he's overrated. EG I had hope in but the way he's flaking...and he is flaking...I can stand to see him go too. Nachbar however...Oh man...he's the next Bullard. I say pull the trigger. Screw it. Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead.
UTrocket - since we are off topic, I will try to do this as briefly as possible. And I may have incorrectly stated something so let's start again... 1) If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. Therefore, the trade of Rice dropped the Rox 2003-04 payroll by $7m. My best guess is that the pre-Rice total was ~$56m. Post-Rice = ~$49m. (03-04 LT estimate = ~$55m & cap estimate = ~ $42.5m). So we could take on reasonable additional salary w/o LTax worries. 2) If a team has Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player Exceptions, and they are below the cap, then these exceptions are added to the team's team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. As you can see, a team can't have it both ways...can't have cap space and]/b]cap exceptions. My best estimate of the 04-05 Rox payroll is ~$51m plus what ever it would take to re-sign Eric Williams. So, obtaining Williams would not be a cap related move IMO.
Did anyone else footnote that this came from Baqui99? --------------------------- To the tiger in the zoo, Madeline just said , "pooh pooh." Look, I know now that Cuttino is not on board with JVG, and EG is out, and they will throw in whoever... but there's really no rush. Only an idiot would make this trade instead of waiting for the deadline when teams get really desperate. Just hit them with more fake injuries, or shut'em down except for showcase time. Wait for a real improvement, that complements Steve and Yao a little better. This is insulting. I need a top flight shooter, a defensive wizard, a passing machine, or an enforcer. There's none of that here. Just b grade talent and an exit.
I watch a lot of bball, but not much east cost. I have never really seen Battie and Williams play, so I don't have an opinion on them, and consequently not much to base the proposed trade on. However, we need to get a better grip on what we are offering. I think we are way overating out three offerings. Boki is nothing. Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns into the next MJ (well if we don't trade him). But let's face it, he couldn't get off the bench for an entire year. Really did not even earn garbage time. Looked terrible in the revue games, and "has shown improvement" in preseason. So did Dan Langi and every other player. If Boki did not play for our beloved Rockets, none of us would have ever heard of him. And I think that is the opinion of the rest of the league, WHO? Mobley: definately a decent player. Can score and clearly has value. But third best player on a non-playoff team, how good can he be. When Steve was out two years ago, Cat was our leader to a 2-20 record (or something thereabout). He has value, don't get me wrong, but he is a long way from "a step below a star". Remember, third best player on a non playoff team. Griffin: perhaps the most valuable trade of the three because his potential is unknown. But let's face it, after two years we are still looking for untaped potential. He still hasn't found a place on the floor. He has shown many things he can do well, but nothing he can do consistantly. Despite his shot blocking, he was abused on defense last year. For heavens sake, we had to bring in Mo Taylor for defensive reasons. Yes THE Mo Taylor, freaking superstar of defense Mo TAylor. On top of that he was a head case problem,coming out of college, which we convieniently forget. And has shown signs that was a well deserved reputation. Yea he has potential, but he also has potential to never play again. My point is we are not offering a whole lot with this package. Expecting a solid starter or such seems a home team dream to me. Me, I hope tha dream comes true, but why would "the other guy" do it.
