Rumor: Microsoft to Release Blu-Ray Player for 360 by May

Really? This is what you said:

Perhaps it would've been helpful if you had said "PS3" instead of "it," considering I had been talking about both the PS3 AND the 360 in the post you were responding to?

And YOU accuse US of not being able to read! You're the one causing the confusion, because you can't write clearly!

If 3 out of 4 advantages I listed are "reasonable," then perhaps you'd like to back off your claim that the PS3 "has no advantages."

Why should I care? No matter what the reason is, 360 failure rates are significantly higher than PS3 failure rates. That is a fact. The reason behind the fact has no effect on the fact itself.

So, again, now you're saying the PS3 DOES have some advantages? THAT'S NEW.

And it still exists as an "advantage." You listed faster read speed as an "advantage" of the 360, yet you downplay HD caching as an "advantage" of the PS3. You have to either classify them both as "advantages," or neither. It makes no sense to call one an advantage and the other not.

 

Seconded. I want to stop, but I just can't. A guy can only read so many contradictory statements before he gets riled up.

 

Sprite > Sierra Mist

 

No wai!! Sprite is too damn arrogant. Who the heck they think they are making up a new fruit? It's an abomination!

 

I apologize for continuing some of the past discussions, but I just wanted to point out some things. May be a waste of time, but I find it difficult to let some comments go by uncontested. Note that I do not care about discussing which system is better (unless we're talking better sales, better tech specs, etc.). Too difficult to really debate that since a relatively minor thing for one person can be a relatively major thing for another.

No offense, but you obviously don't know much about what you're talking about. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. In the long-run and without getting into specifics, I'd definitely give the edge to the PS3 in terms of which is the more powerful system. It is pretty apparent in the (exclusives) right now, and things would seemingly only get better on the PS3 side.

I’d like to point out that the guys at Ninja Theory, Naughty Dog, etc., must be coding gods if they were able to get HDR and AA in their games. You know…since the PS3 is incapable of doing that and all. Hint: there are multiple ways to do HDR, some of which easily allow for AA.

I’ll just stick to those comments for now.

I believe it was Phil Harrison (software guy) that said he personally doesn’t like the idea of multiple SKUs since it confuses the customer. I personally agree with him and wish that maybe he’d have more of a say at Sony (his opinions didn’t reflect the opinions of SCEI as a whole).

Ken Kutaragi essentially hinted at multiple SKUs in the months before launch IIRC (talking about how it would be offered in many configurations IIRC).

They criticized MS for offering crappy BC, not because it was using software emulation IIRC (or at least that makes the most sense). The PS3 was originally supposed to use software emulation, but some struggles with that caused them to go for hardware BC in the initial PS3s, although they’d switch to software emulation later on. Technically speaking, when they removed the EE, they were NOT doing the same thing as MS. It was still using hardware to emulate the PS2’s GPU. If they offer backwards compatibility for the 40GB PS3, then it will be offering the same sort of BC that the 360 does.

FWIW, I really didn’t like Sony’s decision to cut it. I can understand it since they were feeling pressure to cut costs as much as possible, but I would have much preferred it if they kept it in (at least the hybrid solution). A switch to software emulation that is respectable by the end of the year could change my mind (although then I would have preferred it if they just kept offering hardware BC until software was ready).

Just reminded me that I loved Harrison’s quote when asked to respond about Sony’s change of heart regarding rumble “What did you expect me to say, we were in the middle of a court battle.”

As for most of these comments in general, they really show how horrible the SCEI PR team was (and maybe still is?). I’m just hoping that the higher ups at SCEI just didn’t give them much info, forcing them to come up with their own ways to try and market the system. A lot of them weren’t very good at this and needed to shut up (see David “the PS3 can sell 5M systems without any games” Reeves).

You obviously haven’t played Folklore.

If you’re a bad programmer, yeah. More like different from what I understand (and less forgiving of poor programming practices). Sony’s lack of dev support early on didn’t really help though.

I think you meant to link something else since that link doesn’t really make sense (although it shows how stupid the guys at the SCEA PR can be at times…or all the time). You’re probably referring to the videos they showed off at E3 2005 (Killzone, MotorStorm, etc.).

Go ahead, that would be fun.

Not really.

In the US, yes.

Around the world? No, more like the other way around IIRC.

I will say that when looking at future releases, it isn't really easy to pick out potential AAA original games. It is easy to get excited over a sequel in a great franchise instead of some new franchise that we know little about. Because of this, people tend to point out the “proven” franchises rather than potential AAA titles. People who bought a 360 16 months or so ago may have bought it for Halo 3, but in retrospect, games like BioShock or Gears of War “justified” their purchase (not to say they didn’t like Halo 3 though).

Similarly, people may be interested in a PS3 now because of Tekken 6, R&C, FF13, MGS4, etc., but 12 months from now, maybe something like Uncharted, White Knight Story, Infamous, etc., became (or is) their favorite exclusives.

The PS2 didn't obtain all that in the span of a year, although I doubt the PS3 will have similar advantages (at least not to the same degree).

I will say that in terms of 3rd party support (not exclusives, just support), the PS3 has seemingly gotten more support than the PS2. Developers like Bethesda, id, Valve, Starbreeze, have done much more on the PS3 already than they did for the PS2.

I’ll give you Capcom, although I think they’re just trying to support both consoles (the early 360 exclusives were most likely due to Capcom not wanting to port their games to the PS3 after it was released). I haven’t really seen much preference for the 360 by Rockstar and Epic. They definitely have their exclusive deals, but both companies are providing exclusives to both consoles (and Epic seems to prefer the way Sony implements their online service).

I wouldn’t talk about the add on as a certainty, especially if you’re relying on the source in the OP (if so, guess we should expect a PS4 this year).

Certainly possible and maybe even probable, but we don’t have any confirmations about any dates or whether it will even happen (not to mention price among other things).

*see above*

Just wanting to point something out since this does come out a lot.

Obviously, if you look at both systems, they each have 512MB of RAM (although each has a different setup, each with their own advantages and disadvantages). That said, developers do not have as much RAM on the PS3 as the 360. Why? The PS3 reserves more RAM for certain features (mostly OS stuff IIRC). The last time I looked at this, I believe the 360 OS reserves 32MB (which allows for in-game guides, custom soundtracks, messaging, etc.) while the PS3 reserves something like ~80MB IIRC (hopefully this has gone down since then). Additionally, some of the features that developers might try to add (such as custom soundtracks) decrease the amount of memory developers can use for their game (~80MB + 6MB for random feature).

In the end, it is basically saying the same thing, but I just wanted to point that out in case people were confused by the dev comments (both systems have 512MB of RAM, how could the PS3 have less RAM?). A big hurdle for Sony has been trying to reduce the amount of RAM the PS3 reserves for all this.

I’d put it like this (throwing out the Wii though):
PS3 >= 360 in Power
PS3 >= 360 in terms of worldwide sales (unless you want LTDs, I’m going by 2007 sales and trends)
360 > PS3 in US sales.

I'd guess nearly every 1st party PS3 game would not fit on a DVD as is.

Kind of mentioned this earlier, but the 80GB PS3 (or the 60GB PS3 in Europe) do not offer BC in quite the same way as the 360. Just nitpicking here though.

There is much more to extra disc space than just these advantages. A lot of subtle things though, at least so far.

The read speeds of the 360 and PS3 are pretty similar, unless the 360 is reading a game that uses only one DVD layer. Both require some smart planning in terms of where to put the data on the disc, assuming you want good performance.

I haven’t really paid much attention, but I think DMC4 is probably a horrible example. I don’t really understand how they managed to use the PS3’s in such a inefficient way. As a comparison, I wouldn’t use EA’s output with Madden as an example of the PS3’s graphical abilities.

 

I just wanna know how RC does all that quoting.

You guys quote like Swoly uses smileys.

 

I love the internet.

BTW, isn't wink2moochie07 a previously banned member under a new name? Maybe I'm confusing him w/ someone else.

 

I order some RC Cola in the glass bottle when I eat BBQ in Lockhart.
It appears Big Red and RC Cola are the favorite old school drinks with the old school BBQ joints.

 

i wouldn't doubt it, or he's a member who's hiding under a new AE.

 

what I would find helpful in deciding this argument would be a lengthy point-by-point, cumulative refutation of the previous posters' opinions on video game systems.

 

you know you are a nerd if your signature is about the HD-format war.
lord, i thought people here joined for the Rockets!

 

Here's the cliff notes for the thread:

Some people like Sony - they will argue to no end to prove it. (even if they try to hide their real PS3 fanboy-ness as just posting artciles and acting like they have no real preference when the only thing they have is preference.)

Some people like Xbox360 - they will argue to no end to prove it. (even if they're doing it just to get a reaction and un-willing to admit that Blue ray won and it's good for Sony)

That's it - nothing to see here...

(I have all three plus the xbox360 hd-dvd add-on.)

 

WOOO!!! My PS3 is coming in today! I need to go grab my HDMI cord so I can start watching Blue Ray videos and playing all my ps2 games on it!

Oh, and Winkie has convinced me NOT to go buy a 360. I'm afraid I'll catch whatever it is that has made him the way he is.


I love this thread.

 

hooo boy, looks like the analysts are taking this with a grain of salt and are arguing that sony cut off its nose to spite its face.

-bloomberg


I might have to reconsider. If anybody can refute this with a 1500 word post or more I will take it under advisement.

 

Falcon,

you should only listen to people here who joined the board Feb 2002 or earlier.

 

I know!!! That's what makes this thread so hilarious!!! The n00b trying to stomp a mudhole in everyone! I mean seriously, this guy is getting me through a day.

 

there's a bunch of people on my xbox ignore list. i imagine that dude would be one of them.

you'll find some good people of course, but its usually these kids that are dorks. because my nick is ClutchCity93, I get the NBA talk going on some games.

All those Golden State and Laker fans are always wanting to smack talk!

 

Sony isn't the company it use to be. They had their chance. The biggest blunder was MP3s. They had their stupid ATRAC format or something like that, they had the walkman brand too. but nope, they screwed up on the MP3 bandwagon and now Apple has made the IPOD an icon.

They screwed up on the SACD vs DVD Audio format war too. both superior to CDs.

At least their TVs are good. However, I do feel the non-XBR Sonys are overpriced. They were getting their butts kicked by Samsung recently until Sony dropped some decent Bravia and XBRs.

 

...and I just spit out some of the Sprite I was drinking from laughing so hard.

Let's make that April 2002.