That is true. But we would have had a 66.6% chance of getting the 6 or 7 pick. The odds would have been in our favor to move up. Not to mention that we did win the #8 tiebreaker over Golden State so it's the difference between 6/7/8 vs 8/9.
I'd draft Aldridge, Thomas, Bargnani. To replace Stro/JuHo. Trade Swift for like another top pick or a decent SG like Gerald Green/Josh Childress.
i'd do it ... il like Head, but if we have a chance to pick Roy, it's a no brainer i think ...what would be great is getting another lottery pick to pick Brewer and have a Brewer/Roy backcourt, 2 tall young and athletic guys with PG skills ... but i'm dreaming awake but, if the wolves want Foye, why trade with them ? they pick foye, the celts pick either a PG or a C, and Roy is there for us ... no ????
I will be MAJORLY pissed if that Denver win cost us Luther Head. As I said before, Head was a top 10 rookie last year (top 10 in almost every category among rookies). You don't give up two top 10 picks just to move up 2 spots to 6. You just don't! YOU JUST EFFING DON'T!!!
I would rather swap Luther for JR Smith and the #8 for the #12 and #15 than swap the #8 and Luther for the #6.
No. We let head play 82 games and average 27mins per game. We spent so much time for his growing which +8 pick only cost a 6 pick?
If Portland is smart, they will not trade up to secure their top choice. The odds are, their choice will fall to them, especially if Chicago is set on Ty Thomas which seems to be the case. Portland should stay where they are at and take whoever is left from Aldridge, Morrison, Gay, and Roy. The trade with Charlotte and Toronto, I can't see happening. It's just not worth it for any of those team at 2-5 to trade up. So, I think Toronto is stuck with the top pick and they are going to have to choose between Aldridge and Bargnani. Aldridge is really the best fit for their team as it is currently constructed. They are going to risk team chemistry, upsetting Chris Bosh, and figuring out how to move Villanueva for a center, or one of those 3 is going to have to play out of position to make things work there. They should just take Aldridge. That would leave Chicago with TT at #2. Now Charlotte is on the board. I have a funny feeling that they are going to take Rudy Gay, especially now since MJ is on board. Which brings up Portland at #4. Morrrison or Roy has to be their man, probably Morrison. Which brings us to Atlanta looking at Bargnani, Roy, and their supposed favored Shelden Williams. If they take Williams at #5, they are stupid. I think this is where things get real interesting. Rumors are that Foye is on top of both Boston's and Minny's boards and Marcus WIlliams is also up there on Boston's board. I don't know if I believe that. However, if Atlanta is sitting there at #5, I would think they would be looking for takers on trades. If they go ahead and draft Shelden, that leaves Minny staring at Bargnani (just don't see them wanting him with Garnett), Roy (distinct possibility), or Foye (can't see them taking Foye over Roy). So, in my opinion, it looks like a deal could probably be made with Minnesota, if not Atlanta. Atlanta may not be willing to move down because if the draft plays out this way, then Shelden would be a logical fit in Minnesota. I just can't see Minnesota wanting to take Bargnani. They need a low post banger alongside Garnett. So, I think Minny would be a good candidate to move down a couple slots depending on what they can get and if they could get a player that fits what they want to do better than Bargnani. They may very well be tempted to do a Luther and the #8 for #6. If that is the case, how do we choose between Bargnani and Roy? I know most of us want Roy if we can get him, but Bargnani looks crazy. A 7 footer with the face up game that can nail the outside shot and put the ball on the floor when the defense closes in and take it to the rack, and he's another 80% free throw shooter. That's pretty tempting, especially since he had been rumored as going #1 for so long. Then we go after a tough defending, rebounding, slashing 2 guard like Bobby Jones/Hassan Adams with the 2nd round pick and sign Mike James for more offensive and defensive firepower. If Bargnani is the player that they say he is, and we were able to get him, we could possibly have arguably the greatest front line of all time right up there with the 80s Celtics. Then add James and Bobby Jones to the backcourt, along with bringing over Spanoulis in a year, or possibly signing a guy like Mo Peterson next year or trading Juwan/Stro for a good SG an we should be able to make a serious run. If Toronto indeed does take Bargnani #1, and Chicago is still stuck on TT #2, CHarlotte with Gay #3 (I really think he is going to go to Charlotte with MJ now on board), then once again Portland is staring at Morrison and Aldridge. If they take Aldridge, we've still got the same scenario staring at Atlanta with Morrison in place of Bargnani. IF they take Morrison, then Atlanta is looking at Aldridge, Roy, and Shelden. They either take SHelden and leave Minny with Roy and Aldridge. Minny should take Aldridge(I'm pretty sure they would if he were on the board) and leave Boston with Foye or Roy or Marcus Williams or a trade down. We should then approach Boston with a trade for Raef Lafrenz, one of their SG and their #7 pick for Stro, Howard and our #8. Raef would be a much better fit for us at the PF slot and we could then get Roy for sure. They could then move back a spot and still trade down if they were assured of getting either Foye or MW or just take the player that they want. Bottom line: If Atlanta indeed does take Shelden or have their sights set on Shelden, then it is going to open up some interesting possibilities. Our draft board should look something like this: 1. Bargnani (keep or trade) 1. Morrison (Keep) 1. Roy (keep) 2. Gay (keep) 3. Aldridge (keep or trade) 4. Thomas (keep or trade) 5a. Redick 5b. Brewer 6. Shelden (simply an asset to facilitate trading for a SG) 7. Carney 8. Foye If we pull Redick or Brewer out of this draft, we will have gotten fair value for our #8 pick. If we get more than just one of those guys or we get one of the top 7 listed, we will have gotten more than fair value for our pick.
nice work. I really think if Roy is available at #6 than we should not trade. Minny is falling in love with Foye after he destroyed Gay, brown and others in Toronto. I don't think they will take Roy and Boston is looking hard at Marucus Williams. I think we should sit tight at 8 and let players fall to us. If we don't like the players available than we can always trade down for extra picks.
Chad Ford has picked up on this rumor at his ESPN blog: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060622 Essentially, he's guessing that Roy is pulling out of workouts because he and his agent (who is also TMac's agent) already know he's going to the Roxs.
this is a no brainer... wait, are you kidding? i thought we needed bench depth, and sorely too. You are giving up a 2nd all rookie team player who we've give lots of play time and has developed into a capable player for what, an uncertain draft pick which is only two spots ahead of us? Dude, I do hope you are cool with your brains...
Hmmmm.... On a Minnesota board, a Juwan for Jaric deal was actually well recieved... Got me thinking this would be a good deal for both sides: Head Howard #8 for Jaric #6 This would have us getting rid of Howard for someone who can be a decent rotation player. He can back up the PG, SG, and SF spots. YES, I do know that he's not very good. But at the same price tag, Jaric will fill a much more important role than Juwan. Backing up 3 spots? Sounds good to me. He'd essentially be our backup SG (Luther's job), backup PG (Sura insurance) and backup SF (definitely better than Bowen). Then we're set everywhere except a little bit at PF. We have Swift and Hayes locked up, while I think it's impossible that we'll pass up on Padgett if NJ cut him. We'd be set at 4 positions. Then at PF, we'd be decently covered. In fact. I think Swift/Hayes/Padgett is decent in that it gives us a lot of options, and Swift will almost certainly improve. But to strengthen that position, we'd still have a 4.2M exception, the MLE, and our 2nd round pick. That's excellent IMO.
We know what Luther can do for us & we can pick the best available player with the 8th pick and he will fill one of our needs. We could then sign MJ for our primary 3rd scorer. Then at 32 we could draft Mardy Collins(if Draftexpress is correct) to add more height & firepower to the 1 & 2 spots or Steve Novak to back up T-Mac. I think we'll be ok without making a trade.
great post. best one i've read in a while. all this stuff was on my mind for the longest time, and i wanted to just write it down so i could get a picture of what might transpire, but you went and made my job easier. thanks for the accurate summary. props.
man, can we give up someone else instead of Head I don't want to see him go he should be a good backup
With Michael Jordan and Mike James in play we need to not use MJ to refer to to Mike James, I mean MJ is taken. I propose MJB. Our staff better be ready to move in any direction because this draft could fall in a hundred different ways. Hell, we don't even know who the #1 pick should be. Toronto was talking Bargnani but he seems redundant with Bosch, Conangelo wants to rebuild them into The Running Suns North which would seem like they would want a nimble 5 like Aldrige but they took on a big contract for a stiff, and Conangelo intimated a love for Morrison in an interview this week. Atlanta is either dumb or shrewd and I don't know which. They need Marcus Williams and should be prepping to trade down but instead of talking up players people want badly enough to trade up to 5 for they are leaking Shelden making everyone below them hoping for their player to drop. Foye is making a late move to challenge the big 6 which means with just one mistake above us and we can get a player with the #8. I just don't see anybody taking Howard or even Swift from us though, too much money for JHo and too much baggage for Swift. (which make this all so much funnier when you consider Swift was a #2)
I haven't read the whole thread, but what if there were more to this trade? What if the TWolves want Luther as McCants insurance? Maybe the TWolves will try to foist one of their contracts on us; we do have that TE of 4.2. (Here I'm thinking, send them Juwan as well, send us Jaric or Hudson. We don't really want Juwan, they don't really want Jaric, who, except for not always being healthy, isn't all that bad a player; but he sure doesn't fit into what they're doing there. Just speculation. Because giving up Luther to help out another WC playoff-wanna-be? No.
I'd give up Luther to move up to get Roy. But I'd also give up the #8 to move down with the addition of JR Smith.
Supposedly the Lakers are really interested in Roy and I've heard that they might be willing to deal Odom for him. IF Roy fell to us or we moved up for him, I wonder if the Lakers would be willing to deal w/ us to get him.
