i said: that doesn't mean the astros' lineup with A-Rod would suck. you're saying even if the 'stros add A-Rod, their lineup sucks. those are your words. your words are what i'm arguing with. i'm saying their lineup wouldn't suck. i agree with you it wouldn't be better than the yanks, but the yanks have one of the very best if not the best lineup in the game right now. and it doesn't require having the best lineup to win. teams with lots better lineups than the astros would have killed to have had their season last year.
Wilson was traded from Colorado to the Nationals last year and there was the predictable uproar "why didn't the Astros get him?!" Huff was widely pursued, and a hot commodity, but the D-Rays were asking way too much for him. I think he was also a big part of the potential Manny Ramirez 3-way deal Boston/NYM/Tampa Bay were trying to pull off. I think Lane needed that time. Last year, he sucked for about 60 games or so before having a 0.850+ OPS the rest of the way. He batted 0.118 in May with no power and lots of people wanted him gone (similar to this year). After the ASB, he hit 0.300 with a 0.889 OPS. You had to give him the opportunity. Ensberg is the same - I think he should have been moved around to a different spot in the lineup, but given his success last year and in April, you can't just give up on him after a bad month. I agree about the injury - but Ensberg has to tell the team about that. If he says he's feeling OK, what can the team do?
I would suspect this is just media stuff. If they find a workable deal for Tejada, I don't think money will be a major factor. With Clemens/Pettitte/Bagwell coming off the books, you're talking about $45MM in payroll, and with Tejada signed for 3 or 4 more years, you'e not getting a rental that you're going to have to get into a bidding war to re-sign.
obviously tejada would be a huge upgrade over everett offensively, but how is tejada's glove? ive never really seen him play?
Pretty funny that Huff and Wilson were the two biggest names at the deadline last year and we now have both of them. With all the Tejada rumors, I have a hard time believing it's all bullsh*t. It also makes sense considering this is their last year with Clemens and Pettite. They're probably looking to load up for one big run at it. It should be feasible with the Bagwell/Pettite/Clemens money coming off the books. It stings knowing we possibly could have had him this offseason for some combination of Taveras/Backe/Lidge considering how bad those guys have sucked this year. If you consider the status Lidge was at before this year, it's going to take a king's ransom to match that value with prospects, especially considering that the Orioles turned down a package including Ervin Santana and the #2 prospect in the Angels' organization. We're talking something like Burke+Hirsch+Pence. FWIW, I would not part with Chris Burke in any deal. As a sidenote, it's incredible how this organization has continuously been able to reload every year and stay in contention. If they pull of Tejada, you're talking about Berkman/Burke/Tejada/Ensberg to carry on the torch for the next 4 or 5 years.
dont forget about huff, i fully expect astros to sign him to long term contract killer offense though
No, he isn't agreeing with you. Who cares how good the potential lineup would be in comparison to the Yankees? It's inane to say that our lineup would "still suck" and use the fact that it would be inferior to the Yankees lineup as evidence of this. Your reading comprehension skills "pail [sic] in comparison" to MadMax's, don't step to him, thanks.
pale. lolol. thanks buddy! did this loser really just correct my spelling on a rockets bulletin board? lolol. And I'm not arguing with anybody or providing "evidence" to back up my opinion that our lineup would still suck. my opinion is berkman + arod + 4 decent to poor hitters + 3 awful hitters still would equal a crappy lineup. it's my opinion. keep grasping at straws and making more of a joke out of yourself on this message board (is that possible?) trying to make me look stupid, my pathetic friend. trust me, it's an uphill, unwinnable battle for somebody of as low intellect as you. cut your losses and give up. you must really sit there and stew at home over how many times i've made you look like a complete gimp on this board, and you know what...I KNOW how much it gets to you....and...i...love it. your life must really be empty. feel for ya bro.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, in baseball, players traded in the middle of a multi-year contract can demand a trade and, if not granted, can declare free agency. Just because Tejada has several years left on his existing contract doesn't necessarily mean he's locked in with the club he's traded to.
"Evidence." Pshaw, indeed. Certainly the ability to have an opinion, in this country, should not be predicated on the ability to base it in reality. I applaud your persistent willingness to exercise that right.
I don't think that's right... Some players are protected if they have a no trade clause written in their contract, or if they have 10 years of major league service and at least 5 with their current team. They have right of refusal for any trades.
We got a new Tejada/Astros article online now. Link: www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/15099897.htm Tejada, Abreu, Soriano the biggest names on trade-rumor list By Phil Rogers Chicago Tribune (MCT) CHICAGO - You want to make an impact? How about adding Baltimore's Miguel Tejada in a midseason trade? Or Washington's Alfonso Soriano? With the deadline for waiver-free trades a little more than a week way, those two and Philadelphia's Bobby Abreu are the biggest names being floated in deals. The Cubs would love Tejada, of course, but it's doubtful they can come up with a counteroffer that will deter the Baltimore Orioles from making a move that could have long-term implications in the National League Central - trading Tejada to the Houston Astros for a package built around shortstop Adam Everett and some very good prospects - right-handers Fernando Nieve, Jason Hirsh and outfielder Hunter Pence. While Baltimore was interested in Mark Prior last winter, Cubs general manager Jim Hendry hoped to entice the Orioles into a package built around center fielder Felix Pie, left-hander Rich Hill and other prospects. The proposed deal made sense for the Orioles, who weren't going anywhere with or without Tejada, but Orioles owner Peter Angelos rarely takes the long-range_that is, realistic - view of things. Angelos still says he's not interested in trading Tejada unless he's blown away with an offer. It appears the Astros are motivated sufficiently to get back to another World Series with Roger Clemens that they will trade a significant part of their future. Everett is a respected shortstop - and a worthy heir to the tradition in Baltimore_but he's not hitting enough for Houston manager Phil Garner, who is desperate to get another big bat behind Lance Berkman. The situation is similar to 2004, when the Astros came out of nowhere to win the Carlos Beltran sweepstakes. Hendry is guaranteed to work overtime with the whiff of Tejada in the air. He doesn't appear to have the parts to put together such a big trade but never lacks creativity. His best bet is somehow to broker a deal that sends Greg Maddux to the Los Angeles Dodgers in a multi-player package that would send Cesar Izturis and a bundle of prospects to Baltimore. It's a long shot, for sure. In the end the Orioles rarely can get their act together to do anything, so the danger for Houston GM Tim Purpura and other interested parties is that the Tejada talks will lead only to a dead end. That's not going to be the case for the Detroit Tigers' Dave Dombrowski and other executives talking to the Nationals' Jim Bowden about Soriano. The Soriano situation is more like an old-fashioned auction. He's going to be moved to the highest bidder before the July 31 deadline. The question that should concern the White Sox is whether he will wind up with the Tigers. When Dombrowski made his initial inquiry about Soriano, Bowden reportedly asked for right-handers Humberto Sanchez and Jair Jurrjens and 19-year-old outfielder Cameron Maybin. Those would be Detroit's three best prospects, and they're not eager to give them all up in the same deal. But executives with other clubs say the Tigers are champing at the bit to make a major move. With the Braves making it clear John Smoltz is not available, Soriano seems to be the name that most intrigues them. Otherwise they could be left to count merely on the return of Dmitri Young, who came back Friday from substance-abuse rehab, or the addition of a lesser hitter such as the Pittsburgh's Sean Casey, Philadelphia's David Dellucci or Kansas City's Matt Stairs. Seattle, needing to convince Ichiro Suzuki that it's not far away from getting back in the playoffs, also is making a push for Soriano. You also hear his name with the Yankees, Angels and Dodgers. Abreu's contract situation - signed through 2007 and insisting on having his `08 option exercised - is scaring away a lot of bidders. The Yankees won't be scared away, so that could be where he winds up.
Really? Of course, then there's the barrage of insults you're hurling at people: You're taking this too seriously, sir. Would you talk like this to people's faces? I disagree, quite assertively, with the arguments you've made. I've attacked those arguments, as have others (I mean, it's an easy target). But no one's really attacking you. It's a logical fallacy known as the ad hominem, and it's not helping you.
