[Rumor - ABC 13]Swift Part of Package in a 3-Way to Bring Back Mike James

Wow. That's just...wow.

 

OK, if we go with your suggestion that the article isn't bogus, then please explain the logistics of another team signing Mike James and then getting in bed with the Memphis - Stro - Gay - Houston deal.

Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?


Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent. But there is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player's rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours.

A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced, but cannot be made when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because if they want to give him a new contract using Bird rights then they have to waive him first, which resets the Bird clock.

One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 73 for more information on BYC), so the player's BYC value must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed.

If a sign-and-trade contract contains a signing bonus, then either team can pay it. By default the team that signs the player pays the signing bonus (as with any other contract), but since a sign-and-trade is in essence a contract with the receiving team, the teams can agree that the receiving team will pay it. However, any portion that is paid by the signing team counts toward the $3 million limit for cash included in a trade (which in effect limits the portion of a signing bonus that can be paid by the signing team to $3 million).

If a sign-and-trade contract contains a trade bonus, then the bonus is not earned upon the trade that accompanies the signing, but rather on the first subsequent trade.

See question number 80 for more information on how long a team must wait after signing a contract before they can trade a player.

 

It could be bogus but it could be true! Just because hoopsworld reported it that doesnt mean its bogus the may not be right much but the are sometime!
We can only hope if we get bats and mj and still have the mle we will be dynomite next season!

 

I admit it's a trip hearing 13 quote Hoopsworld,but stranger things have happened....fingers crossed.

 

Houston:
out: Gay (2.3M) Swift (5.4M) sura (3.8M) / total: 11.5M
in: James (6M) Battier (5.4M) / total: 11.4M

Memphis:
out: Battier (5.4M)
in: Gay (2.3M) sura (3.8M) / total: 5.1M

Toroto:
out: James (6M)
in: Swift (5.4M)

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I need some cap expert can tell me if it's feasible under CBA

Sura salary should be covered by insurance.
Does Toronto need swift? Is Nesterovic too slow for their run and gun style if he plays full time center there?

 

This is going nowhere.
I can tell this is completely a fake...

 

Hoopsworld is full of crap. if you visit that site, stop.

 

That has to be an all time low for ABC 13.

 

Lol i just went to Hoopsworld, all stupid rumors...

 

gay is not signed. so its more like ryan bowen, lampe and frahm are going to memphis. its a way to clean out the garbage.

 

O please young rookie tell us your sources who cares what you think! haha jus kiddin

 

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And another part is added to the article.
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We'll be updating as this situation becomes more clear, so stay tuned to HOOPSWORLD.
In the mean time, occasional contributor Tony Moma has a few things to add:

Houston’s Window of Opportunity…

…Is a little longer than most think, which is why I do not buy that as justification for Carroll Dawson trading Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift for Shane Battier. Holding on to Rudy Gay would not have kept Houston from winning a title in the next 2-3 seasons. Not on a team with Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming on it. Not after we just witnessed the Miami Heat win a title with an aging Shaq, and Antoine Walker and Jason Williams as starters.

With a few solid offseason transactions, only health would have kept Houston from being a contender this year. But in spite of that, Houston opted to think entirely short-term, because their window of opportunity to win a title is perceived to be right around the corner.

Some will lean towards Tracy McGrady’s back as reason for Houston to operate quickly, but that same group of people should also take the time to delve into the fact that McGrady is not the franchise player, Yao Ming is. Houston’s window of opportunity hinges more on Yao than it does Tracy because he is whom the team is built around, making it easier to compensate for his decline than it would Yao’s. As time goes by, Tracy can always ease himself into a lesser role as long as Houston is winning, much like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar did for Magic Johnson, and Shaquille O’Neal did for Dwyane Wade.

Jeff Van Gundy has already gone on record saying that he believes McGrady has 3 years left in his prime, which likely influenced this deal. If that is the case, should Houston not be just as worried about how they are going to compete after that time period as well as before it? In 3 years, Yao Ming will be only 29 years old, which is the age centers start hitting their peak based on history. If Houston holds on to Rudy Gay and evolves into the star many expect him to become once McGrady starts to decline, this would only allow Houston to contend for a title that much longer.

Just take a look at the San Antonio Spurs. They have managed to field title contenders built around the same player, Tim Duncan, for nearly a decade now entirely because of the stars they were able to add through draft picks after they won their 1st title in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. The Dallas Mavericks are now poised to go the same route with young players in Josh Howard, Devin Harris and Desagna Diop growing around their franchise player, Dirk Nowitzki.

Who does Houston have to look forward to once McGrady starts to decline?

Nobody, and if there ever was a reason for Houston having such a small window of opportunity, that would be it. At the rate Houston is going, it is possible that in 3 years, Houston will begin disintegrating much like the post-95 Rockets, the late 90s Jazz and the early 00s Kings did, despite the fact that Yao may still actually have a couple quality years left to offer.

 

To answer your earlier question, no if Gay signs with us, he can't be traded for 60 days.

But looking over your numbers, they actually make sense even without Gay's salary. Outgoing salaries in Stro and and Sura are 9.2 million. And that's within 125% and 100K of incoming salaries in James and Battier.

Memphis is okay because they're sending out more salary than incoming, and Toronto is okay because they are presumeably under the cap so James' BYC doesn't come into effect.

Damn. The numbers actually work out. Too bad the source is Hoopsworld. But who knows. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

(Damn it, they're sucking me in again.)

 

Channel 2 reported it also before the Mike James interview at 10:35, during the regular sports section of the news. I really can't see there being any legitimacy to it. Would Toronto even want Stro???

But, if there is the deal would have to go down something like this. We send Stro to Toronto in a S&T for James. We then trade our larger trade exception for for Calderon and Humphries. Then we use the smaller TE to acquire Woods in a S&T or possibly another player on Toronto's roster. We then ship those 3 players to Memphis for Battier. I know you can break up the TE to acquire multiple players. What I don't know is if you can then trade those players immediately to a 3rd team (Memphis) for another player.

 

Even though hoopsworld is bogus, I hope CD read this thread to salvage this deal!

 

lol..CD, please save our future!

 

no way toronto takes Swift...not going to happen....unless there is another team that wants him.

 

Well, Toronto did just trade away Villanueva and if they plan on being the Phoenix Suns of the East, they'll need athletes, which Stro certainly is.

 

lets see here

ford
mo pete
bargiani
bosh
swift

if coangelo wants to make the raps the suns of the east. that lineup right there is a decent starting point it terms of run and gun and atheticism. swift is not totally worthless he can give you 8 and 5 on most nights and who knows maybe even more given the suns system of boosting stats

 

And he's a pretty affordable big man, which was the thinking when we signed him, and which I still agree with. I mean with Nene going for 60 million, Ben Wallace ready to break the bank, and Drew Gooden being restricted, Stromile's remaining 3 years $17 million doesn't look so bad for a guy that can backup PF and C.

Why are we trading him away instead of Juwan again?