shut up potty mouth AsianBoy. You're going to give away my fetish for Asian boys on the commode. Everyone knows you couldn't actually smell my butt unless you were sitting in my lap right here where I post: <img src="http://www.jodi.com/images/toilet.jpg">
No? As customers we have been laying off the egg laying Rox for three seasons. It compounds the problem in both directions.
I'm just shocked that anyone would honestly believe the guy would say, "Well, yeah. I do think I should quit." Who the hell would say that? Besides, I've been trying to tell you guys for 2 years that Rudy has no interest in "moving upstairs" and that, if he is fired, teams will line up at his door to hire him. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that, if he gets fired at the end of the season, he ends up with a coaching job by mid-summer. I have no idea where anyone got the idea Rudy was interested in a front office job. They guy wants to be on the bench. Period. If he can't do it here, you can damn sure bet he'll do it somewhere else.
Hmm, Dallas sucked a lot longer and are way better than us right now. We can be just as good if not better in less time. Finely had 6 years of experience and Nash had 4 years of experience BEFORE they made the playoffs. We still have a chance this year and next year we are a lock for sure. I can wait.
Here is a question to all Rudy appologists. What will you want the Rockets do when Rudy's head coaching career collides with Yao Ming's career as a Rocket? The same question is also valid for Rudy vs. Steve. Don't just tell me it's ridiculous. It has a decent chance to happen if the Rockets continue this mediocre performance for another one or two seasons. Let's not say who will be at fault. You can assume all conditions you want. I just call you guys out to answer this simple question. And it will help all Rudy hatas, including me, see your true colors w.r.t. Rudy.
He needs time. Since I just told you what Rudy T needs, will you promise to shut up? Anyway, to compare the Rockets to the Kings and Lakers is stupid. How long have those teams been together? How did they do at the start of their ascensions to the top of the Western Conference (yeah yeah Lakers are in 7th, whatever)? If you're going to say the Rockets have been together for 1-2 years, you're wrong. The guy everybody wants to focus on hasn't even played a full season yet, and it caused a dramatic change in the offense (moving from guard-oriented to post-up again) that is not a simple move. I'm not really going either way in the Rudy T argument, but your point is just plain stupid.
What are you talking about. If Ming become half the player some of you Yao only fans thinks he will become then we will be a contender and everyone will start licking Rudy's jock again.
A scenario under which Yao Ming (including his agents) thinks his career will not go as well as expected on Rudy's team, or Rudy thinks Yao Ming is in his way of coaching his basketball team, or both. As a foot note, I became a Rudy hata before Yao Ming emerged as a promising basketball player in China. My gripes with Rudy can run 10 pages long if time and stomach allows.
rockbox, Till now, I respect your posting on this forum though I don't agree with some of your takes. But if above is what you throw at me for the question I ask, WTF? I am a Yao only fan? I can tell you I am the official "Biggest Yao Ming Fan" on this planet. But I am not a so called "Yao only fan". I started to hate Rudy ball long before you know what internet is all about. OK? Let me know if you want a pissing contest. We can always find a solution.
you shut up!!! who are you to tell that other people's opinion is stupid. are you GOD to say that? and I will not shut up. my question is how much more time does he need to get good result?
First off, I reject the label of apologist. I actually believe he is the perfect coach for this team, and any failings are not fixable by a coaching change, because the significant failings largely reside in the players. I honestly believe that. There are a lot of coaches who could do just as well as Rudy (van Gundy for one), but the risks taken in trying to fire Rick Adelman for PJ Carlesimo are just not worth it. You make a blunder in a coaching change, and nothing creates as much havoc as that. It just isn't worth it, because the difference between a great NBA coach and a good NBA coach is not significant enough (like it is in the NFL) versus risking getting a coach who can't manage players. In the NFL, you have a player problem, you are 3 deep in each position. In the NBA, if Paul Pierce and Walker go against you, Rick Pitino is toast, and all his track record as a teacher of teenagers is squat....Rick, you can't live off of a full court press like you could at Kentucky, and only one Knute Rockne speech per playoffs works with pros...get it! As for your question, I am a huge advocate of firing an NBA coach the moment he loses the confidence of the team. I also advocate firing a coach when a *legend* has a problem with him. imo, most all the justifiable firings like Rick Pitino and Bill Fitch (at the Celtics) involved the coach having a problem with maintaining team respect or the legend said "screw this...get rid of this guy." The moment Yao brings his own system to this team, and drives this team deep into the playoffs, I will then let him make the coaching call. Until that happens, Rudy knows better as long as a player divide doesn't occur.
Spot on HP. RRUS your petition is a joke and it's hilarious to see you get so pissy about it. wah wah wah. lol. Nice contributions from Freak and RM95 as well. Thx for the laughs.
The person that asked Rudy this question has no sence of decorum or propriety. In fact I consider it very rude to confront and posibly embarrass the Head Coach in this manner! IMHO.
What? People can't/shouldn't do the anti-war demonstrations, since they are pointless? might be fodder of jokes? One who petitioned GWB to step down can't/shouldn't say: Sir, I respect you for what you did during 911, but can you step down and save all that war talk? The thread is drama, yet tasteless.
lol...you actually called him and asked,"Can you quit?" That's hilarious. You are brave. But of course....he wasn't going to say, "Sure!" Did he sound different?
OK, I will not use the word 'apologist'. And I will no longer call myself a 'hata'. Though I don't agree he is the perfect coach for this team, I do think that a coach change takes tremendous amount of risks. I said a while ago in another thread that the Rockets are stuck with Rudy for the moment. My main reasons were (1) there are few known (better) coaches who can fix this team and (2) any coach carries risks of doing no better than Rudy. But it doesn't mean it's ridiculous or moronic to question Rudy "if he gets it" or "if he doesn't get it" in coaching this team. The fact is the Rockets have been mediocre for almost four years in a rwo. And I am not convinced this team can break this mediocre mold anytime soon. I am not convinced it's all players fault for the forth year in a row. Here is some best stuff I read from you. Risks are high. And stakes are high. However, winning in NBA and NFL is not for fainted hearts. I understand your position on Rudy. But if Rudy still doesn't get it for the fifth year in a row, not taking action would be a higher risk for the Rockets. The organiztion is larger than a franchise legend or a promising franchise player. I basically agree with your spirit here. However, I don't think Yao Ming will bring a great system to the team on his own in the near future. If he does, that will definitely reflect the greatness of coaching. That's always my philosophy of coach vs players in a team conetxt. Let's step back and take a look at the original flash point of this thread, i.e., RRU's call (and his petition). For the record, I sent my "signature" to RRU on the day he opened his petition thread. I don't have any illusion that the petition will lead to the immediate firing of Rudy. Nor do I think it's an personal insult to Rudy. But it may raise some legitmate questions to more fans, to the business owner(s), to the players, i.e., all stakeholders. The purpose is to align responsibility with accountability. Rudy doesn't have a blank check. In my book, an NBA team is both a private business and a community trust. Rudy, along with his players, are highly paid professionals to do jobs, for his boss, the fans and the community that finances the franchise business. If Les is a Sterling, he bears the utmost resposibility. Otherwise, somebody needs to be called out to bear the resposibility. I think that got to be Rudy. Any personal attack on RRU w.r.t. Rudy is unfair.
jxu777, You mention community and stakeholders... as far as community trust goes, what us rabid fans say here and on talk shows is minority voices screaming above the majority "stakeholders" ie the season ticketholders. I am allowed to say this in this thread, because the notion of fans have a right to complain because they pay for things ... that notion -- that subject -- has been breached here in this thread. Well, from my seats in the stadium and my seats in the Fan Council, the "alumni" (using college terms) of this "institution" are not voicing what RRU petition states. In college sports terms, the alumni don't want a change here (if the Fan Council ...and all their contacts in the seats...is a good measure), makingthe petition equivalent to a fraternity of the student body yelling loud in a shortterm view. I just do not see the fan outpouring of dissension being anything more than a vocal minority sending emails and whining on talk shows. I can challenge that notion. I am a voice just like RRU and the petition writers are. I don't want a coaching change based on the complaints of the petition. And, until you prove otherwise, I believe this is the majority opinion of the community and the 'stakeholders.' This city, in its majority, trust Les, CD and Rudy, and no legend on the team (much less a majority) has yet to challenge that. Losing seasons happen, and if you move based on shortterm results, you end up losing Rick Aldelman to the Kings. More examples, Rick Adelman (Kings), Larry Brown (76ers), Brian Jordan (Nets..previous head coach at the Kings), Don Nelson (Mavs), all had their jobs handed to them, and now they lead some of the best teams in the league. Now look at coaches who were fired from Finals teams like George Karl and van Gundy, and look at the success of the teams after they left.... ...coaching changes in the NBA are overrated. This is a continuous motion sport like soccer, not football. The players have main culpability, imso. There is a lot to say for keeping coaching staffs and mgmt a constant to maintain a classy org that players respect. These players (especially Yao) still respect Rudy. I don't think that is arguable.
Well, I have to agree to disagree here. The stakeholder concept is not my invention. I borrowed that from principles in the Total Quality Management and the Malcome Baldrige National Quality Award. It was intensionally differentiate from the stockholder and the fiducial resposibility. It was an enlarged concept for the modern enterprises. Your interpretation of stakeholder in this topic was too narrow (seanson ticket holders). Can the Rockets, or the NBA in that matter, be what it is today with only the seanson ticket holders? Did you mean the partial ticket holders, spot ticket buyers, league pass buyers and general television views have no rights or less rights to complain to their team? Why did the NBA bother to market overseas with all those hooplas? Your interpretation of a stakeholder is totally different from what I intend to introduce. Well, I think it was my mistake At this point, I think we have very different views on coachs vs players in a team concept. My views were based on my experience as a soccer player from third grade all the way to the college. My views were also based my fan experience in soccer, basketball, football, etc. I don't hold that my views are truth. BTW, I don't think you are required to pay member fees in order to become a Democrat or a Republican.
