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Rudy T or JVG - who is a better coach?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 2, 2007.

  1. RiceDaddy7

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    That's pretty funny, but no, JVG wouldn't have done that because Yao is a special case. First of all, he's Les Alexander's treasure, 7'6", huge upside, and Chinese ( meaning his marketing appeal is huge ). No way Alexander would've left JVG give him the V-Span treatment. Furthermore, Jeff needs his good players to make *him* as a coach look good and work effectively.

    Jeff isn't an idiot. He knows his stars from his regular players. Regular players he can discipline the hell he wants. Stars? He gives them special treatment. Just like any sane person would.
     
  2. SpiffyRifi

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    I don't really think its fair to say you'd treat your first overall pick just like any other rookie. If we're looking at V-Span and Novak for comparison, both are second rounders...not first overall. Plus everyone keeps saying JVG doesn't play rookies...well, he played Head last year. You can say that was only because of injuries, but I guess we'll never really know...plus Head continues to play now.
     
  3. room4rentsf

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    So lets get it on record, do you think JVG & the rockets will win a playoff series THIS YEAR.

    Its clear from your posts (especially after rockets losses) that you believe JVG is the wrong coach. That he lacks the ability to adjust, uses the wrong bench players, misuses Yao, is too stubborn, is an egomaniac and is basically the reason the Rockets are not good enough. Since we all know you believe this and then some, tell us once and for all, will the Rockets will get past a very good team with a very good coach in UTAH.

    Are you going on the record with Amel, that becuase of JVG the rockets wont get to the 2nd round?
     
  4. RiceDaddy7

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    Yeah, Double D.

    Also, if you don't like JVG, who should be coaching our team then? Give us a few candidates to your liking...
     
  5. Blake

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    Let me pre-empt the response by saying that Rick Adelman never won in Sac with more talent than we have and didn't play or develop rookies (IE Gerald Wallace) ;)
     
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    Tomjanovich steps down as Rockets' coach
    Michael A. Lutz Associated Press writer
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    HOUSTON -- Rudy Tomjanovich stepped down as coach to take another job with the Houston Rockets on Friday after 12 seasons that included the franchise's only two NBA championships.

    Tomjanovich, who had cut his season short for treatment of bladder cancer, said he looked forward to resuming a more normal lifestyle.

    "Just to be one of the people in this city, being a soldier instead of a general for a while, I look forward to that," Tomjanovich said, choking back tears as he announced his decision.

    "I just think at this stage, with the health situation, that the best thing is to back off and try to be just a regular guy for a while."

    Tomjanovich, appearing at a news conference with longtime friend and general manager Carroll Dawson, confirmed news reports about his negotiations with owner Les Alexander to take another position despite having two years and $12 million remaining on his contract.

    "This is a very difficult day for the entire Rockets organization," Alexander said in a statement. "I know this was a hard decision for Rudy, but I respect it. Rudy is a great championship coach. While I am saddened to see him move from the sideline, I look forward to working with him to make this a championship team again."

    Tomjanovich led the Rockets to the NBA title in 1994 and 1995 but the team hadn't made the playoffs the past four seasons.

    Dawson said Tomjanovich would help the Rockets in scouting and evaluation.

    "Rudy is still going to be with us, that's what makes this easier than it normally would," Dawson said. "We've been blessed to have him for 33 years, and he's still going to be here."

    "I'm always going to be a Rocket," Tomjanovich said.

    "We are very blessed to have as capable a guy in this game as I know," Dawson said. "I am sure one day he will be in the Hall of Fame."

    Tomjanovich, 54, took over as the Rockets' coach midway into the 1991-92 season and compiled a 503-397 record, easily becoming the winningest of the team's nine coaches. The Rockets' championships were the city's first titles in a major sports league.

    Only Utah's Jerry Sloan, who just completed his 15th season, had a longer tenure among active coaches than Tomjanovich.

    "I am going to work with everybody in the front office to go and try to help add some pieces to what we already have and get the Houston Rockets back on top," said Tomjanovich, who has concluded cancer treatments and will undergo a biopsy next month to see if the tumor is gone. "It is a good situation."

    The Rockets made Tomjanovich the second overall selection in the 1970 draft out of Michigan. He started the franchise's first game in Houston on Oct. 14, 1971, after the Rockets moved from San Diego.

    "Rudy T," as he is called, quickly became one of the team's most popular players and had 13,383 points and 6,198 rebounds in his 11- year playing career, averaging 17.4 points and 8.1 rebounds in 768 games. He last played in 1981 and the team retired his jersey the following year.

    Tomjanovich also survived one of the scariest moments in NBA history on Dec. 9, 1977, when Los Angeles Lakers forward Kermit Washington blindsided him with a powerful punch that sent him crashing to the floor with shattered facial bones. Doctors later said the injuries were life-threatening, but Tomjanovich returned the following season wearing a protective mask and made one of his five appearances in the NBA All-Star game.

    Tomjanovich has spent all 33 years since leaving Michigan -- which also retired his jersey this year -- with the Rockets as a player, scout or coach.

    This season, news of cancer on the surface of his bladder forced Tomjanovich to miss the final 17 games of a disappointing season in which Houston finished 43-39 despite having two All-Star starters, guard Steve Francis and 7-foot-6 rookie Yao Ming.

    His current contract, agreed to in 2000, was set to keep him coaching until 2005.

    Copyright C 2003 Deseret News Publishing Co.
    Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved.
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    yeah, i dont wuite understand the infatuation w/ adelman. As you pointed out, not being able to at least get to the finals with all of that talent was quite an accomplishment.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Of course they were facing the Kobe/Shaq Lakers.......at the time.


    As for what I think, ON THE RECORD.

    We have the two best players in the Jazz/Rockets series and we SHOULD win, no matter who has home court.

    BUT.....I believe that......

    We will lose the opening round if we do not have home court advantage.

    If we do get home court advantage, I think we win in the opening round against the Jazz.

    And, I think JVG will get an extension anyway, which I think is bad, but I will soldier on as a Rocket fan....and tone down the anti-JVG bits.

    DD
     
  9. DonkeyMagic

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    PJ had the best 2 players when the lakers lost to brown. I'll take a great team over 2 great players....and when you have a great team with 2 great players, watch out!

    personally i think the homecourt adv is a little overblow. I know the numbers show otherwise, but thats also b/c typically the team with homecourt is better (fairly simple). Plus, the rockets do play well on the road especially tmac (dallas series)

    and jvg shold get an extension. I find it pretty idiotic (no offense) to think that there are too many coaches out there that are better than he is. and not only in terms of coaching but he is a quality guy that surrounds himself with good people (not just players).

    But if the rockets dont advance...i wouldnt be surprised if JVG said he wont return, Whether it was his fault or not. Thats just the kind of guy he is. And thats a rare thing. People dont have to worry about jvg hanging on too long.
     
  10. rockbox

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    Define never won.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    He did get to the finals twice with Drexler in Portland.

    DD
     
  12. redefined

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    Would JVG have played Yao if he was coaching the Rockets in 2002?

    I'd rather have Rudy as a coach. But I'm not saying he's better though.
     
  13. rhino17

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    :eek: You guys way overrate Van Gundy. He has never won anything, especially with the Rockets. This poll should be 90% to 10% in favor of Rudy. I cant believe some of you disrespecting Rudy. JVG is not evena top 10 coach in the league, there is no way is is even close to Rudy
     
  14. VesceySux

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    Okay, you keep repeating this, so I have to ask: Which coaches are better than JVG? (Be sure to list a minimum of 10.)
     
  15. IndonesiaFans

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    Rudy T is better, but currently JVG is the best coach available right now..
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Rick Adleman is better than JVG....IMHO. And Rudy T....may be available.

    :D

    DD
     
  17. CharlieMurphy

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    Not even top 10 coach in the league huh? Damn I guess those guys must be mad about getting overlooked for COY. :rolleyes:
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I think JVG is a top 5 coach in the regular season and then drops significantly in the post season when adjustments are warranted.

    DD
     
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    Good post as usual, Dakota. Many of your posts in the D and D are off the wall, though.
     

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