These are the relevant stats when it comes to Battier and the NBA http://www.82games.com/0506/0506MEMP.HTM http://www.82games.com/0506/0506MEM.HTM
Is Rudy Gay your cousin or something? Don't need to push so hard for a guy the Rockets never wanted in the first place.
Not related to any pro ballplayers. But, im a fan of his game. Its not so much Gay as it is Battier....i dont think very highly of his game. I personally dont beleive he's that great of a player nor do I believe he'll "greatly" impact houston. As for Gay I just want people to be consistent in their arguemnts. Dont down him cause he's a rookie who's years away from contributing but declare Houstons rookies as ready to make an impact now. Dont dismiss his play in the summer cause its the summer but use JLIII and Novaks summer play as proof that Houston added quality and reliable depth this offseason. is that too much to ask???
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22420 How about these? Battier's FG% in the NBA in 05-06: 48.8% Gays's FG% in NCAA in 05-06: 46.1% Gays FG% in Summer Pro League: 46.2% Battier's Points Per Shot in 05-06 in NBA: 1.32 Gays's Points Per Shot in 05-06 in NCAA: 1.24 Gays Points Pershot in Summer Pro League: 1.03 Battier's Turover per game last season: 1.11 Gay's Turnover per game last season 2.50 Gays Turnover per game in Summer Pro League: 1.50 The kid may be good, but he's very far away from being a contributor.
And there's the classic rookie vs. rookie matchup: Novak vs. Gay Novak 41 points, 16 rebounds 12 for 20 FG, 11 for 11 FT, 2 turnovers. Gay: 8 points, 7 rebounds 3 for 12 FG, 2 for 2 FT, 5 turnovers. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260030269 Seems Rudy's summer league numbers, which are not really that good (except he can rebound against the likes of Douthit and Jelani McCoy) may be more of a fluke than Novak's.
The kid is "good" and battier is "average." But what exactly are you trying to prove with these numbers? It cant be how GREAT Battier is...cause we know thats not the case. So it must be how "slightly" more productive a first round bust (#6 pick) was in his 5th year in the league compared to a 19 college player was in his sophomore season.
The point is that Battier was doing better agaisnt NBA competition than Rudy Gay was against NCAA competition. He shot better from the field, from the 3 pt arc and turned the ball over less. While one was battling everyone from Kobe to Kirilenko to Marion, the other dealing with Drew Nicholas and Steve Novak and having only moderate success. I watched my share of UConn games and saw Rudy Gay just blending in even when his team could have used a dose of lottery pick talent against the likes of Gerry McNamara's Syracuse team. Rudy Gay will be hard pressed to match his college production for a few years... even if he does, I don't exactly want a guy turning the ball over 2.5 times to score 15 points a game.
really? you'd be a hard coach to play for. i'll stick to your turnover to point ratio if you stick to it as well. according to this... you "don't exactly want a guy turning the ball over 2.5 times to score 15 points a game"? i'd take any of these players in the west (too lazy to look up the east) that averaged 2.5 or above in turnovers. only two (odom and andre miller) averaged below 15 ppg and i'd take those two guys too. that ratio doesn't go over to well.
You mean like one day like this guy? 96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 .417 .375 .819 .7 1.2 1.9 1.3 .69 .32 1.58 1.40 7.6 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 .428 .341 .794 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 .94 .51 1.99 2.30 15.4 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 .465 .267 .839 1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 1.44 1.00 3.14 3.10 19.9 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 .468 .319 .821 1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 1.61 .94 2.76 3.30 22.5 00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 .464 .305 .853 1.5 4.3 5.9 5.0 1.68 .63 3.24 3.30 28.5
Superstars, guys who take the last second shots, guys who has to drive to the teeth of the D, not guys who score 15 points. Oftentimes, guys who handle the ball, guards, not forwards. When you have Marcus Williams running the point and a 2 first rounders on the squad, Gay wasn't carrying nearly as much responsiblities as the Lebrons of the world.. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/b...,SF,PF,F,FC,C&conference=NBA&year=season_2005 Take a look at this list, 2.5 TO is a lot for a SF getting 15 pts 6 rebounds and 2 assists per game. Carmelo Anthony over has 2.7 TO for his 26 points, 5 rebounds and 2.7 assits.
yep. i "soooo" believe coach k had nothing to do with it. yes i'm still bitter and why shouldn't i be?
Its funny how most of the members on this board have fallen prey to the garbage coming from the Rockets front office. Novak (a second round pick) JL III (an undrafted FA) V-Span (only picked up because MJ and every other FA thumped us) yeah...those guys are going to be our saviours. We should have had Roy with the sixth pick. But Van Stumpy was too fooking stupid! We were lucky to have picked up Gay with the eighth pick. But Van Dumpy dont play no rookies! FIRE GUNDY!
People are happy about Novak and JL as guys who could possibly play decent backup minutes after they held their own against 1st round picks like Roy, Aldridge, and young NBA vets like Shaun Livingston. Nobody is projecting these guys to succeed TMac as superstars in a couple years if he has to retire due to injuries. Some people think Gay can already give the team everything Battier gives them and will become TMac's replacement in 2-3 years. Totally different level of expectations.
Rudy was/is a 19 year old sophomore who played on a really talented team full of juniors and seniors. He gets a rep of being "lazy" and "passive" cause he defered to those upperclassmen in crucial moments. That's UNFAIR. And because of this Rocket homers have now labled him being not ready to contribute.... Gay isn't some 17 year old from a country that you can't pronounce. The dude was All Big East 1st team and 2nd team nationally as sophomore.
Gay could be a monster, no doubt, but I am happy we went with the safer Battier....Gay will take some time to develop, I want to win NOW !! DD
Van Gundier - So I guess based on field goal percentage, you would rather have Kelvin Cato than Jermaine O'Neal? Also, that game Novak dropped 41 on Gay is such a weak argument. Noone is disputing that Novak is a great shooter, of course he lit him up. Some guys are just amazing college players while some guys have the tools and develop later. I'm sure someone like Miles Simon would light up an 18 year old Tracy McGrady. It's funny that some of you are heralding the acquisitions of JL3, Novak, and VSpan as some great infusion of youth like we just added 3 high first round picks the likes of Mike Dickerson, Bryce Drew, and Mirsad Turkcan (note the sarcasm). These guys are rejects who wouldn't make it onto most rosters. I'm not saying none of these guys will contribute, but there's no reason to get your hopes up. It just shows how bad our offseason has been, and what terrible a job of building this team that CD has done, that this is all it takes for you guys to get excited.
