anywayyyyyyys back to the video i think why he did after watching the video 3 times I think rudy confused the shotclock with game clock, cuz the scorekeepers didnt take away the shot clock when the possession switched, momentarily confusing gay.
Those are all great points roslolian and RV6, I guess I just can't get over how it all turned out. I don't see any future for this current team either, and I feel that having Mac and Ming was a once every 20 years type thing, where we'll never see that type of talent in a long time in a Rockets uniform again. I'm glad that we can have an honest to goodness discussion although I'm going to agree to disagree. You were right, Kobe did say that, but I've heard several great GMs say that you don't fill the need, you take the best available player.
This debate makes me laugh. 1. Nice to see Rudy demonstrating his basketball IQ once more. 2. A great many of you are arguing like Rudy Gay could save us when he's arguably only the 4th most important player on the Grizzlies.
We made the trade to be a contender. We had a legitimate shot to win a ring in 2007, but we choked. Battier + Wells at the time >>>>>>>>>>>> Gay + Swift Stop living in the past.
Gay is better now, Battier was better then. Rockets were trying for a championship, I can't see how any of you can argue it wasn't a good move AT THAT TIME! Use your brains, do you really think Gay would of developed at Houston like he did with Memphis knowing Houston was a defensive team and Gay was probably the worst defender in the league for his first few years? He would of been sitting with V-Span doing jack **** under JVG. With Yao healthy next season and a decent bunch of role players would you think it would be a bad move if Houston got in a guy likely to decline soon like say Steve Nash that could potentially win you a championship now by giving up a draft pick who may be good in years to come? How will you ever win anything if you try and build for the future all the time? Look at the last two championship teams, both got over the line by trading younger players for older players who could help them win now. The fact that just about any contending team in the league would have Battier if they could and would likely start him shows me if we could of got luck with health we could of gone close.
4th??? u mean 1st??? sorry but I cant put it down to anything but how ur counting it wrong. 4 is different from number 1
Gasol, Randolph are definitely above Gay, and depending on how the Grizzlies roll (I'm not going to pretend I know a whole lot about their team), maybe Mayo? Either way, he is definitely at best the 3rd option.
I wanted to see if you could bump that thread you started in the GARM a while back asking which team was more talented, the Rockets or Grizzlies. Thanks.
I think he may be higher as far as scoring options go n the court...but the poster said most "important". I have to agree the grizz value Mayo and Gasol, at least, more than Gay. Not sure if i'd put him fourth though as Randolph, who i assume was included by the poster, because he is a temporary piece.
I believe he's 4th most important in value to them behind those 3, and 3rd highest scoring option on the court.
Actually, the team wasn't all that close since they got slammed in the first round while having two of the best players in the league at the time. We had point guard needs, we had needs at the wing, which admittedly Battier kind of filled, we needed a bench, and we definitely needed some offense besides Mac and Ming.
Gay is easily above Mayo, and is their go to guy down the stretch. I'd say Gay is the 2nd best player on that team, behind Randolph, but Gasol is probably more valuable.
I'll take it a step further by saying that this isn't necessarily about Gay either, this is more about the #8 pick. We had other options. We could have tried for a lower pick and traded down thereby possibly netting us two picks which could have filled two needs. An example of this would have been Sefolosha and Rondo, instead of Battier. Sefolosha was someone that Morey wanted for his defense, and Rondo showed that young players can be impact players too. I won't buy that he hasn't always been a better player than Rafer. Would his role have been drastically different with Tracy around? Sure, but I think that the win-now mentality, as others have pointed out, wasn't entirely correct. Before anyone mentions it, sure I know that we were a good defensive team, but we lacked defense at certain positions. We lacked the great individual defenders that Rondo and Sefolosha have always been since they first entered the league. That's just one example, there were other options which could have been explored as well. I don't think that dumping Swift was worth mortgaging the future like that, and most importantly, I'm concerned about the past because I don't want it to happen again.
Uh...since when is losing a series 4-3 against an arch-nemesis in a close game getting "slammed?" You're being disingenuous. You just proved the point you're arguing against. You seem to think a team has to be flawless at every single position and cannot have any weaknesses to be a contender. All teams have weaknesses.
And how do you know the Rockets had these other options and chose to pass on them? You're going pretty far out on a limb now. If you have a post from 2006 that proposes the Rockets doing this I would love to see it. Otherwise people have to assume you're just using hindsight again to make your case.
Because both of those players were on the board past number 8, of course there was a possibility, in fact Rondo was on the board until about 21 and it was a draft that most considered weak, thereby making picks more available than they would have usually been, that's how. You have to think about it too, not everything is going to be published, but if you think about it for a moment, you'll see that there were other options, just as Portland screwed us out of Roy by exploring their options. Let's not even make this about how that Denver game may have cost us either, because that's another valid can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. Also, for a team that was supposed to contend and had home-court advantage in the first round, that got outplayed in the closing minutes, sure the team got slammed. Sometimes you have to say it as hindsight because people won't listen when it's happening, but I even remember clutch seeming a bit disgusted with the trade. Come on, it wasn't like only a few people pointed out that we got made in that trade. Battier's an excellent player, but Memphis was trying to unload him anyway, why not explore other ways of getting him? They sold high and we bit on it.
