Same here. Brandon Roy was what I really wanted. Since that opportunity was wasted and Gay fell into our laps, I would have asked for more or held out for more with regards to him. It was a costly trade with no results to show for it.
are playoff wins and championships the only "results" that work? The Rockets have been one of the top 5 defensive teams in the NBA since Battier got here--with or without JVG. I'm not saying he's the only one responsible, but I am saying that with Gay in Battier's place, that would not have been the case. There are other results that matter when evaluating whether a trade "worked" or not. Otherwise you could say the Jeff Bagwell trade had "no results to show for it" over his first 10ish years
How so? You knew that McGrady and Yao would suffer injury after injury over the next 4 seasons, or you just knew that McGrady and Yao (one of the biggest superstar combos in the league at the time) had no hope of ever contending? I'd be interested in hearing your rationale for this.
oh lord, I wanted Rudy Gay, I'm now going to get into some stupid semantical argument about how i'm right in hindsight 20 points 6 rebounds and 46% shooting make right, argue with that as opposed to whatever numbers shane is currently putting up
and yes, a lot of people argued including my self that you were more than a shane battier away from making any significant progress in the western conference. regardless of injuries
I cant speak for others but for myself, personally, yes. Playoffs series wins and ultimately championships are what are remembered, not regular season success. Even if you attribute all of the defensive success to Battier (which we know is not true), it was still a failure because it did not produce on the stage where it counts most. Plus, I highly doubt that Rockets were thinking of regular seasons wins when they aquired Battier. The premise of the trade was to provide a final piece to a team ready to contend for title. It failed on its own premise. "Win Now", not "Win Regular Season Now". The Rockets won in the regular season 2 years prior to his arrival too. Even after his arrival, Rockets hovered right around the middle of the Western Conference.
I see. So the criteria we're using to compare the potential value of players on our current team are their playoff records on two vastly different teams as part of a different franchise in two different time periods. This is to say nothing of what our needs and plans were at the time that these two players were traded. Interesting. Well Shane Battier had more big wins in college than Gay so therefore he's better.
I don't know how you ever expect to win a championship then if a 2006 Yao and McGrady is not sufficient enough to be a contender. I mean Rudy isn't even in the same league as either of those guys were in 2006, so if you were depending on him as the main cog in our post "McGrady plans" you would be very disappointed.
he's better than shane battier, give it up dude this is the true stupidity of rudy gay arguments, first it was, yeah, look he isn't winning in Memphis (knowing full well he was on some terrible squads). now its, well we wouldn't be champions either, whatever, he's better than battier
It isn't? Well I could say that they should have traded Sampson to Portland for Drexler and the #2 pick (which would be Jordan), because everybody knew that Sampson would be injured in a couple of years and Drexler and Jordan would become two of the best players in history.
I'm not giving anything up. My argument is and has always been that I don't see how you anyone can fault the Rockets for making a move that makes their team better right away, at a time when they believed they had the tools to be a contender. And yes, I agree with the Rockets management assessment that a team with a top 10 superstar, the best center in the league, and a strong top 3 defense with a defensive-minded coach is a bona-fide championship contender, and I believe they would have been all of the past three season if it wasn't for all of the injuries. I tried to inquire how this 2006 team did not excite you as a championship contender, yet having Rudy Gay on this current team seems to excite you to no end. How is my claim so outlandish? If you'd like to argue against it, then try to explain how you thought a team such as the one the Rockets were building in 2006 would never be be a championship contender, and that they should have just started preparing for three years down the line. I would be interested in hearing your rationale. When you respond with things like "give it up dude" it makes you seem defeated.
considering tracy is coming off the books, its a more complicated question. he's not a max player on the surface, there are several senarios, one of which is you probably package him a in tracy deal right now if he were on your team and its no telling what that might bring back it also depends on what you see down the line on what you can get, if Yao is coming back next year you might want to give Rudy a max contract even though he isn't the complete player you would like a max contract player to be. interesting. rudy has been putting up 20 on decent fg% since year two but while you don't expect decline, he might have peaked
