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Rudy comes clean, finally

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Texas Stoke, Sep 3, 2002.

  1. RC Cola

    RC Cola Member

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    I could just see the possibilities! :D

    Is that Yao on the left? ;)
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I can picture franchise signalling the set as he brings the ball up the court... well, actually, no I can't. He should probably just call it out loud, maybe in Chinese! What's the Chinese word for hexagon?:(
     
  3. harumph

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    i think HeyP called it a "Trapazoid" offense and not hex/pent offense. Looked like:
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    with the 2 2-player offensive pairings rotating around the fifth player (steve). I think it could still work with ming & nachbar on the team. imagine the side pairings: ming/cat, eddie/boki, mooch/MoT. Would also give steve room as it should spread teh defenders who need to match each pair or one of the two will get an open look.

    edit: damn, the diagrams worked with the whitespaces included :(
     
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    I like the idea very much, but I think that no one individual on the team should be the focal point of the offense. Only at the end of the game should Steve be the primary option because of his versatility.
     
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    I think it is called "Trapazgon".

    You put Ming in the middle and all the "traps" on Francis and Mobley "are gone". :D
     
  7. Rocket River

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    "It's not a paramid. . . it's a TRAPAZZZOOOIIIDDD" - Richard Pryor - 'Bustin Loose'

    Rocket River
     
  8. verse

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    i know we're both dating ourselves, rocket river, but damn that was a funny movie! (um, that didn't come out right did it? dating ourselves??? isn't that...well...nevermind...
     
  9. smoothie

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    ive heard both hexagon and trapazoid. im not sure which one it is.

    i do know that the point of it is to make it impossible to double team steve, cat, or whoever has the ball.

    the other four player move into groups of two. like a buddy system. then they spread the floor. the two groups will adjust to where steve moves to always give him room to work.

    if the defence desides to double team, steve passes the ball to his teammate from the pair that the extra defender came from. now there is one defender playing two of our guys.

    with the floor spread, this opens up a backdoor cut, or pick and roll.
     
  10. Joe Fan

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    It's news to me that Rudy wants his off-ball players to move.

    When did this occur to him?


    Free Martha Stewart!
     
  11. heypartner

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    We play a Flex offense. Jonathan Feigen confirmed it recently in an article.

    This confusion is from something I wrote over 12 months ago about a new offense called the "Trapezoid." I invented it. I made it up to see if I could sucker Achebe to bite while we were arguing about the effects the new rules will have on our Rudy's 4out1 flex offense.

    That took on a life of its own about 8 months later when TheRocketsGuy wrote an article about the "Hexagon" offense that we started with Maurice's first year. That did not exist, either. TRG bit on my Trapezoid thread, it appears, and mixed it into a 6 sided shape.

    Coaches don't invent names for offenses that much. Look at Bobby Knight, arguably the best mind in the game. His offense is called "The Passing Game." Whooaa, clever name! Did he even name it?? Look at John Wooden. The next great mind. His game was the UCLA Cut...whooaaa...another clever name. lol. I don't think he named it.

    Even Winters' Triple Post (later the Triangle) did not make him a great coach. It went obsolete in college for 2 decades, because it clogged the lane and zones could stop it, if you didn't have great players. Winters was just after a name to go with his playbook, and so was the mystery man, Phil Jackson.
     
  12. Deckard

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    So, heypartner, you've probably said before in another thread, but how do you see Rudy using Yao this season? (assuming Yao has the energy to do anything by the time he gets here- lol)
     
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    I hope we don't use the flex still, because I don't know how much would change. High-post MING...
     
  14. heypartner

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    <blockQUOTE>Originally posted by tozai
    I hope we don't use the flex still, because I don't know how much would change. High-post MING... </blockQUOTE> There is more than one Flex offense. We use the 4 out 1 Flex. We might still use that, but with a stronger "1" in the 4 out 1. I hope we move towards a high post offense, though. I'd like to see the ball going through Ming like it does Divac, Webber and Duncan. In the high post,where he can pass to more options, and keep the basket free for Francis
     
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