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Rudy can't coach these guys...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DukeOfHouston, Oct 31, 2002.

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  1. Title99

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    I couldn't agree with this post more. We hear about this motion offense but don't see much yet. There is always an excuse as to why it hasn't been used. Why should people being hurt keep Rudy from working on the motion offense. I just don't understand it. I'm not going to believe this phantom motion offense exists until it happens in the games.

    The clear outs are getting old, boring, and continually producing no results.
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    The players sometimes ignore Rudy's play signals and "improvise". The Rockets won a game last year when Steve disregarded Rudy's drawn out play and improvised to victory.

    Afterwards, Rudy said to the effect of "I don't care, as long as we win..."
     
  3. Free Agent

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    Phil Jackson sucks too. The Lakers are 0-2.

    He obviously can't coach his guys.
     
  4. peleincubus

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    All I can say is I cant wait till they starting winning and getting better. Then I can come back to this BBS and hear all these wonderful things how there great at this and great that.

    Actually Ill probabaly come here and still get to listen to u guys whine like little girls.


    "They only won by 23 points they could have easily won by 30. You guys are really just funny.:rolleyes:
     
  5. zzhiggins

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    No ...you run offensive plays to get favorable match=ups or open shots,,,Other than Steve and Cat there seemed to be no favorable match=ups....The rest of the team virtually missed all of their shots whether they were open or not . we had 9 players suited up 3 were rookies, another with no experience , and another only twenty years old....Yes, because those 3 forwards were out ,,,offensive plays just didnt work very well.,.....
     
  6. rezdawg

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    It doesnt matter if we had 4 other injuries. What matters is the way the offense is run. Every single one of those players should be able to run an offense.
     
  7. Panda

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    I watched the Lakers against the Blazers, they were losing without Shaq but playing team ball. Teamwork isn't invincible but it's fundamental to win.
     
  8. JayZ750

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    They played similarly against the Spurs as well. Occasionally, Kobe will get ballhogitis, but (a) he is one of the top 5 players in the league (can't say that about anyone on our team) and (b) it is usually in crunch time. Even then, though, it isn't what makes that team win. Team oriented offense and defense is, which the Rockets have absolutely none of.

    I've tried to defend Rudy a lot - I just find it very hard to believe you can be considered a good coach and have a week of practice to just get worse.

    Can anyone possibly defend playing a 3 guard lineup for over 30 minutes of last night's game? How many wide open jumpers did the Pacers guards have last night? Apparantly our guards are good enough that we should have 3 of them in the game at teh same time, but the majority of shots they got on the offensive end were contested?

    I, for one, don't think it's talent. The system and the team may improve in teh coming weeks and months, but I still find it hard to believe the team could go into last night's game so fundamentally unprepared. Isn't that specifically the coaches job?
     
  9. Yetti

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    Thank you 'Panda' Thats all I want from SF, CM and Rudy is Team Basketball. If they dont, then a lot of money and time will have been lost.I only want the best for SF. and the Rox--'Championships'. Their first effort did not resemble a team that played team basketball!Lets hope that during the next 81 games that our Coach and Leader SF will find the path to better times!
     
  10. Jared Novak

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    DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional basketball coach, nor do I have any delusions of granduer like George Karl and believe I am James Naismith. A couple of following things will be typed below that you may not like, so my advice to you, get over it, thats what the BBS is for.

    The problem with last night's game was the lack of ball movement, guards going away from the offensive scheme, bad shots, good defense on the part of the Pacers, bad play calling.

    As much as I love Rudy T., I'm tired of the excuses. Driving home I flip the dial to 610 AM and listen to the Rudy T. show with those jokers Charlie and Rich. The first caller asks Rudy why the so-called "five-man offense" wasn't used. Rudy replies that the same exact plays were used against the Pacers that were used in the Spurs game. The Rudy goes on to say that he didn't have KT, MoT, TMo, or Glen Rice available. Snce when have these guys been so vital to the offense?

    When asked why Eddie Griffin didn't get any low post touches, Rudy replied that the defense batted a pass away and the other the entry pass to him was stolen. So Eddie got a whole two plays. Lets face it, Steve and Cat do what they want to do. At least Steve was effective, Cat showed the same "jack-it-up-from-wherever" syndrome he had last year. It doesn't matter if the "Big Four" were missing, if you drop a good entry pass into the low post and the low post player gets good position he will draw the wing defender towards him, and then he can kick it out to the wing player, or pass it to the slasher coming in. Its simple, but wasn't even attempted.

    Someone explain why Jason Collier was in the game? The guy is a good six fouls. When we play the Spurs, Kings, Lakers, and any other team where the big man on the other team is killing us, put in Collier to use his fouls and sit him back down on the bench.

    And last but not least, the infamous "three-guard offense". Why the hell is this being used? It didn't work last year, and it didn't work last night. This is a big man's league. Unless the guards keep moving with the ball or without it (which they didn't), they will not be effective (thus the dribbling of the clock down to five seconds and jacking up a long or mid-range jumper).

    There were a few positives last night:
    -Steve showed th ability to turn it up when needed, unfortunately he couldn't do it by himself.
    -Cato, where have you been? He did great last night
    -Although in limited action Yao showed that once he is acclimated that he will be aggressive, and people won't take it to him to show him up.
     
  11. francis 4 prez

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    ok if you wanna complain about the system and stuff that's fine but why are people complaining about who played (collier, 3 guard lineup and such). we had nine people! somebody has to play and i don't think there are too many people calling for major minutes for joaquin hawkins and bostjan right now. if you wanna say injuries aren't an excuse for losing, ok, but they definitely are when it comes to who plays and who doesn't. i would've like to see more ming minutes but even he wasn't looking that great so basically a not ready nachbar, not ready ming, collie and hawkins were our bench. did y'all want to see those guys playing a lot?? 3 guard lineup seemed kinda necessary for the most part.
     
  12. DukeOfHouston

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    You want to know another major problem?

    Our point guard play!!! They are just as important as the coach during the game. Anyone who knows any thing about basketball, knows that it the point gaurd's responsibilty to run the offense. This includes calling the plays and setting them up.

    As I watched last nights game I relized that Steve and sometimes Moochie, weren't playing like a point gaurd. If Steve wants to be a scorer he shouldn't be playing point, and Rudy shouldn't let him play it!! Point gaurds should bring the ball up court, call the play, and create some ball movement! They shouldn't dribble it up court, dribble some more, dribble again, then shoot it while being double teamed. Pass the ball for god's sake!

    Bottomline is, that basketball is a team sport, and the Rockets had better start playing like one, or its gonna be a long and ugly season.
     
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    Rudy can coach, but these guys can't play as a team. Unless Steve start thinking more about playing together then scoring alone, nothing changes and the Rockets are lucky if they made the Play offs. Steve Selfish is a good player, but not a real team player, maybe just Starburry.
     
  14. Lil

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    maybe it is just that the team is still unfamiliar with motion offenses. most of the players who started against the pacers played on difference squads in practice and preseason.

    it takes a lot of teamwork and on-court partnership to makes the stops and create the openings into the post. i think before, we were always spoiled with either spectacularly skilled passers (ala Cassell) or with dominant post players (ala Barkley, Hakeem) who would create their own space/passing lanes . Most other teams have to build their ball movement potential over time, with the possibility and opportunities for ball movement gradually emerging through team play, and more often than not, an intrinsic knowledge of where other players will be, earned though shared court time.

    yeah sure the kings and nets have great ball movement. but their individual players with a few exceptions are not so special. we currently don't have either a spectacularly skilled passer, nor have our post players learned how to create passing lanes in a dominant fashion, but we are blessed with spectacularly skilled one-on-one players. the ball movement will come with time. and with experience, we have potential to be far far better than they can ever be.

    let's give our team a little time. don't need to ask them to force passes into the post if it will only decrease their confidence in the passing game. let our players mature and adjust their games, then the passing game will naturally be more profitable and less prone to turnovers, and SF's assist numbers will go up correspondingly.

    the game against the pacers was an aberration more than anything else. all of our shooters except for cuttino and SF slumped at the same time. SF has shown the willingness to distribute to hot shooters in the past. just because he is playing PG shouldn't mean that he can't use his incredible scoring potential to carry his team when all his teammates are slumping.

    many other coaches would be so frustrated they would abuse their players. rudy knows better. you cannot demand a baby to run before he learns how to stand. these things just take time.
     
  15. RocketFan85

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    This is a stupid topic, we lose one game and everyone run and cries. We didn't even have 4 forwards due to injury. And if you think that Yao Ming sucks just because of that one game, you are stupid. The guy just came from China, doesn't speak english that good, never played in a NBA game. Give him some time, just look what Kwame Brown is doing this year. We where playing 3 rookies that game, two where from other countries. Jason Collier, Cato, and Griffin don't have any post game maiing it hard for Francis to pass the ball to the post for a quick two. Who else on the team that played that game would be a better scoring opion than Francis or Mobley? So take it easy and let them play a few weeks before you start bashing them.
     
  16. playahata

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    I like Moochie, but he is a big part of the problem. When he is in the game, it is dribble,dribble dribble. Steve didn't start jacking until it became evident that no one else was going to score. I didn't see too much movement from the other players. The most I really saw was weakside screen and roll above the three point line. Wait until ming is setting picks for steve at the elbow, you will see many more assists.
     
  17. Possum

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    Just for the record, we had three rookies and one player with 1 year exp (Griffin) and one player (Collier) with 2 years exp who hasn't played morethan 25 games in either year, out of a total of nine players suited up for the game with Indiana.

    Indiana had only one rookie and everyone else with at least 3 years or more exp out of the 9 they suited up.

    Indiana 9 player collective game exp =1846
    Rockets 9 player collective game exp =1150
    For a difference of 696 games worth of exp! :eek:
    This team will be good they just need time! ;)
     
  18. DukeOfHouston

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    A special gift for RudyT, Steve, and the rest of the Rockets!

    It's easy just click on the "Motion Offense" and watch!
    Study it well! you can thank me later! :D :p :D

    Click me for the leason.
     
  19. dwmyers

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    Agree, Agree, Agree
     
  20. jlaw

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    Imagine the Dream team in the recent World Games. They couldn't perform to the desired level because the way international games played is a different story. It takes time to adapt. I'm not sure even if Yao can digest a pizza now.
     

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