God help you T-man. Yao has shown way more in his game than EG. That's why people are more excited about him than EG. It's natural. If EG does what Yao's done, I am sure there will be many threads dedicated to him. As for who has a better career, who cares? Both play for us anyway. BTW, out of your 48 posts, how many are about Yao Ming is worse than who and who? Sure at least 40 right?
There you go again. In this thread I am saying nothing about who is better than who other than Shaq and only did that to prove it is about the team and not Yao. You are so quick to defend Yao, you defend him when nobody is even saying anything bad about him. The word potential is exactly that, it is not written in stone it will happen and has not happened yet. Both Griffin and Yao fall into that category. I am simply saying that it is wrong for this forum to not allow anything negative towards Yao, but the rest of the league including our other players, coach, gm are free game. That is a double standard. That is all I am saying here. If everyone else is free game, Yao should be too. He is not above the league or team. Carayip, Up until a week ago I had about 15 post in a year and a half, and most since then have come in the Yao-Amare thread. So in that since, I guess yes. I just got sick of seeing every other player get trashed including our own to make Yao look better. But about my first 10 there were saying they were both good and we should be happy we have one of them. Now it has turned into somthing else there and I probally am trashing Yao a little, but that is just where the obsessives took it. I am done with that thread, it is going nowhere. We will just have to agree to disagree in that thread. Here, like you said we have both players and like I said they both have potential we should be happy. I am just saying it is wrong of the forum to allow one to get trashed or traded and not the other.
Riet, I am not talking about legitimate trade rumors. I think you are misunderstanding what i am saying. This thread is not a trade rumor. It is a lets trade Mobley so we can make the playoffs thread That has been running for a day. The exact kind of thread about Ming the other day was shut down in 20 minutes. Neither this one or the other was a rumor, just saying trade Player x for player Y so we can make the playoffs. What is the differrence other than one is Ming and one is Mobley? The next time Francis only has 4 assist and we lose there will be one of these about him and it will run for days. That is the double standard.
TMan, You complain about not being able to talk about every little thing that you would want? and you think this is wrong? This aint a democracy on this board, threads are locked for a reason. If you have a problem with that, email the mods..Im sure they would be glad to explain to you why it is this way....or maybe they wouldnt... Get over it. btw...IMO...you dont trade a player that is considered by many around the country as the second best center in the league...period. Who would you trade him for? The only person I would even consider is Shaq..and that aint happening...no way no how.
I would not trade Ming, right now. I was just asking why the double standard and nobody has even adressed the question until you. Never thought it was a democracy and ya, I think it is wrong. The name should be changed to Clutch Yao bbs if this is the way it is. It dang sure is not a Rocket fan site anymore. It is a Yao fan club.
Ya know, I almost thought you understood what I meant until I read your forth sentence...you still dont *get it*.. In the past, nobody weas suggesting trades for our rookie players...not Steve, not Mobes, not Eggie...same goes for Yao. Besides...why even waste space on the server or people' time reading threads that will never happen or should never happen.. It is all about keeping other threads on the front page. If they allow a Yao Trade thread to stay open...it gets lots of flames and arguments..and wastes space that could be better occupied by a thread that is even remotely possible. Come on man...think outside of your irritation for a minute. It does make sense if you keep in mind the way that Clutch and co want this place run...
T-Man, Might I remind you, there used to be tons of Yao Ming trade threads that weren't locked. Remember after the lotto selection and we had the #1 pick. It was pretty much a given that Yao Ming would probably be our #1 pick unless something happened. How many Lamar Odom, 8, and 12 threads were there? A ton. There was constant debate about what we should do with that pick. So I doubt that from day 1, everyone was obssesed about Yao. Now that everyone has seen him play, no way we trade him for anybody short of Tim Duncan. It's quite obvious why and yet you keep harping on why there's a double-standard about Yao and blah blah blah. I know this may come as a shock to you but life's not fair and double standards exist everywhere.
This is the last I will post about this and I thank you for trying to explain Rockets2k. What you say is very well thought out and makes alot of sense, but it just does not hold up. The trade Francis threads draw lots of arguments and stay on the front page for Days and I don't think trading Francis right now is a possibility. THere is a daily trade Mobley thread so they are always on the front page. And you are right, I am just very irritated over hearing all our players get trashed daily by supposedly our own fans and the one time I see a trade Ming thread it gets 20 minutes before being shut down. Riet, I know this may come as a shock to you, but this ain't life. It is a computer message board about a basketball team. I don't think double standards should exsist here. I think everyone should be able to voice their opinions, within reason, about the Rocket's on here even if we don't agree with it. That is what a message board is for. If we don't agree, we reply. If we agree, we can reply. That is what keeps these boards going.
If you can't see why a trade Yao thread is locked in 20 minutes at this time, then there's no debate with you. Yao is the HOTTEST thing in the NBA right now. He gets exposure for the Rockets. And oh yeah, he's not a bad player either. And while his 13 8 avg is not dominating, it's not bad at all for a rookie. Did you forget that he didn't even have a training camp? Or that he's from another country? His first 10 games were wasted statwise because that was his training camp? And he was considered a bust by almost everyone, probably including you T-man, but I sure don't hear the "bust" calls now. Also, everyone and his mother knows the Rockets need to "get Yao the ball". That to me means he is a vital part of the Rockets offense. Is there such a call to get Amare the ball?
All T-man wants is to "Trade Yao, bench you, trade yao, bench yao, trade yao, bench yao, trade yao, bench yao, trade yao, bench yao, .........."
I'm definitely a Yao obsessed fan, but I have to admit that it seems unfair that so many Yao fans are so critical of the other Rockets. For instance I doubt that Mobley does not realize that he's now the 3rd option. Every player wants to be a star, but at the same time there's no way the players don't know this is now Stevie's and Yao's team. With that said, I wouldn't trade Mobley, Franchise, Yao, Griffin, etc. unless it was offer I couldn't refuse. If you were to trade Mobley who could the Rockets realistically get? I'd want a pure point guard a strong low post presence, I really don't think many of those are available for Mobley. Yeah, Mobley's been cold, but he plays hard every night and brings excellent defense.
as is this one from me...I have tryed twice to clearly explain it to ya...and you are still not "getting it"...I dont normally waste this much of my time doing this... You are convienently overlooked my points about the fact that we normally dont bother with threads that talk about trading rookies...they havent been here long enuff to put that judgement on em. It is a waste of everyone's time and therefore dont need to be discussed...if ya cant deal with that... go hang out at espn's boards..its pretty much freestyle over there.. Im done. sorry I couldnt help ya understand.
first of all -- as many people have pointed out, Jack doesn't work for cheap and I'm not sure that he would have gotten any more money playing for any other team. Second, his shot selection hasn't gotten much better over the years, he still seems to want to be the focus of the offense, and he still dribbles the ball too much when he gets the ball. And he sucks at getting the ball into Yao when Yao is trying to post up. I still think that Jack would be best coming off the bench with the second team in the instant offense role. Personally, I would love to see the Rockets get a "pass-first" point guard, move Stevie to the shooting guard role (which is what he is really playing anyway), and go to war with a Yao, Eddie, Posey front court. And I'm not so concerned about having undersized guards because I think that our front court will do a good job of playing interior defense when the taller guards try posting up.
I think he can see why. I didn't see the thread, but it couldn't have been more ridiculous than this one. Trading Ming is reasonable discussion compared to the other threads that get started.
There are a lot of trade Cat threads. However, there's a much more reasonable rationale to those than trading away your potential franchise center. Anybody who can't see the difference either doesn't watch basketball or is simply trying to "counter balance" the criticism and even it out - even if the criticisms aren't comparable. It's one thing to defend your favorite player. It's another to tear down someone else just because the former is getting a lot of bad press.
T-man, There is no double standard. If Yao does not improve next year and still makes the same mistakes, we will bash him then too. But thus far, we have seen ENORMOUS improvement. Remember Yao's first 10 games??? As for Eddie, I personally think he got worse. He was suppose to gain strength over the past summer but didnt. He continues to play out of role by chucking 3s and getting abused by other PFs. On a side note, I hope you are right about Eddie but thus far, I have not seen any improvements.
I agree... As of right now, the CAT doesn't seem to fit this team. He can't find a groove on offense or defense. I know he can shoot the free throw, but he's not as agressive going to the hole and he's not confident in his shot... I think if Cat can suck it up, he can contribute big time, but he needs to understand his diminishing role, accept it and take advantage of the touches he does get.
