http://www.nba.com/news/arena_guidelines_050217.html From NBA.com NBA Fan Code of Conduct Guests will enjoy the basketball experience free from disruptive behavior, including foul or abusive language or obscene gestures. from Websters... a definition of the word abusive. 2 a : using harsh insulting language <an angry and abusive crowd> Chanting "sore loser" is insulting to the woman. In the end, the lady and the Rowdies broke this rule. FranchiseBlade, feel free to open up a can of STFU.
A Rockets representative sits with us at all games. We've been INSTRUCTED to let him decide on such matters. But thanks for your interpretation of NBA rules.
Then that person let you break the rule I just posted... I could see why you need a babysitter though. My interpretation? How could you not characterize chanting sore loser and who knows what else for over 20 mins as not being abusive?
Your INTERPRETATION of the rules is irrelvant. We called her a sore loser ...is that really abusive? That's your interpretation ...not the Rockets interpretation. We DEFINATELY need a babysitter. Never claimed we didn't. What we are doing is ground breaking (by their own words) and they need to observe everything closely. It's a fine line between injecting life into the building and going overboard. We OFTEN cross the line and the Rocket simply tell us to back off. We ALWAY comply with whatever we are told. But on this matter, I'll take the opinion of the Rockets ...rather than yours.
Did you read the definition of abusive. Yes, you insulted the woman for over 20 minutes. You better take that up with FranchiseBlade, he seems to think it's the accepted norm. LOL Look, I like the idea of having a group like yours. When you go overboard, which you damn sure did on this issue, it's in your best interest to reflect on the situation objectively and try not to make it happen again. I like hearing the positive chants from your group. I could do without crap like you did with this woman. Look man, it happened again on this, simple as that. Only this time, the babysitter used poor judgement. Whomever told you it was ok. was wrong. Honestly tell me that you guys were not using abusive language to that woman.
However, you have no basis to determine right or wrong on the matter on MULTIPLE levels. #1, you weren't there. #2, you have no insight on NBA rules (I assume you don't work for the NBA). We regularly rub people the wrong way. I mean REGULARLY. But by and large we get positive feedback. What we do, admittedly, pushes all boundaries and OFTEN people find us objectionable. But as a whole, the Toyota Center is a better place to watch a game ...in part because of the Rowdies. If 1 person hates us, there are 30 more that love us. We can't pander to the minority. For example, YOU are the only person in this thread that feels our behavior was bad and everybody else enjoyed the story. If the Rockets goal is to sell tickets, should we bow down to you or the opinion of everybody else here? If I'm selling tickets, the choice is easy. I respect your opinion but my goal is to sell tickets. The Rockets were involved, Toyota Center Security and HPD got involved. At no point were we told we did anything wrong. But I suppose you know better than Security, the Rockets and HPD.
How about you guys agree that you greatly disagree on the issue and move on? I think everyone's made their stance explicitly clear, and no one's changing their mind on the issue. Evan
I'm basing my opinion on right or wrong based on your account of the incident and the rule itself. I wasn't there when OJ whacked Nicole and Ron but I'm guessing that was wrong. LOL I can read.... It said you can't use abusive language. How much plainer, do you need it. According to the NBA Code of Fan Conduct, those people are entitled to enjoy the basketball experience. You guys are forgetting that everyone bought tickets to enjoy basketball not to be abused by your group. What you do may eventually get you disbanded. Use some common sense and that won't happen. But mostly because the team does not suck. You can't read because I wasn't the only one. Do the math....if you talked to all those people during a game, you were out of hand. If grown men need a babysitter, you're out of hand.
It will be interesting to see if the Rowdies are back next season. On one hand, you have a group of entusiastic fans, but on the other hand, they could really lower the gameday experience for some fans. Like I said before, at the Bulls game there were a couple of Bulls fans in jerseys standing up throughout the game, like the Rowdies, but they got thrown out the arena. So it is okay for the Rowdies to stand up during the entire game, but paying customers can't? As far as the incident outlined in this thread, I think that cheering on the team is fine, but when you start aiming your chants towards other fans who paid to see the game, then that is bull. For all you know that lady was from LA, and just happened to be in Houston. So her experience at the TC is one of a group of Rockets-Sponsored fans hassling her the entire game. That is bull. No fan has the right to do something like that to another. At the base of it all, NBA is entertainment. People pay for their ticket to be entertained, not heckled by a bunch of fans who didn't even pay for the ticket. Lastly, don't think that the Rowdies are the reason the Rockets games are more fun to go to. The brand of basketball is a whole lot better than any other season with JVG as coach and the in-arena presentation is 110% better than it ever has been. Half the time no one in the arena can understand what you guys are chanting and when you walk through the concourse before the game chanting, it is more of a disruption than enthusiasm.
Ill-Skillz has another person on his side. Also with the name skillz. Any relation?] Seriously, though... The problem is that heckling opponents in an NBA arena is part of the entertainment. If the woman, no matter where she was from didn't want part of that entertainment she didn't have to buy the ticket. They pay for a certain kind of entertainment in a certain kind of atmosphere, with accepted norms. Nothing the Rowdies did violated the spirit of that atmosphere. If the woman from LA doesn't understand the accepted norms of that atmosphere, then this was an educational experience for her. Next time she will be aware. Furthermore we don't know that she was a paying customer. Maybe a friend of hers from the Lakers organization bought her ticket as well. What we do know is that the woman lost it at the completely harmless antics of a team mascot. She responded to harmless non-profane banter by esacalting the matter with her own behavior. I live out of state and have been to one game this year. I loved having the Rowdies there, and the players on the team have mentioned how it has helped the atmosphere. T-mac liked it so much he added to their tickets.
You are such a little baby. I can't believe it. lol. You are gonna cry because clutch has silly string, and then fans engage in harmless banter with someone. Already you undies are on way too tight. You need to relax and have some fun. "Sore Loser" at a basketball game isn't any more insulting than the acceptable of "Nah-Nah Nahhhh Nahhh Hey Hey Heyyyyyyy Goodbye chant." It isn't insulting at all to anyone with common sense enough to know what kind of atmosphere they are paying to be in at an NBA basketball. Because you don't understand that, and don't like that part of the atmosphere, again doesn't mean you have to rag on others who do. Like I said you don't have to conform to the accepted norms, but don't get upset when others do. The only bit of possible backing for your argument in this post you offered was that security asked the Rowdies to do something not related to this incident. The rest of the time you resorted to personal insults, which don't make your stance look any stronger at all.
You sound like such a baby... "Your position is stupid... nah nah nah" I too have been to MSG several times. I was also in NJ watching the Rockets play, and wearing Rockets gear. Everytime there was heckling going on. Though only once in NJ because the arena wasn't very full. But at no point did anyone get upset and start crying about it. Everyone accepted it. You can tell it is acceptable because the mascot who is a chearleader leads that kind of thing as part of his job. You can tell it is acceptable because it happens without incident at arenas and ball parks from all over the country. You can tell it is acceptable because officials at the TC who witnessed it accepted it. Why don't you just grow up and admit that your have a different idea about some of the types of fun that goes on at Rockets game. Nobody is saying that you have to enjoy it the same way that everyone else is. But you won't give others the same freedom, and leeway.
I'm basing right or wrong based on the Rockets, Toyota Center Secuirty and HPD. LOL is right. OJ was acquited on all charges. Once again, you feel you know better than the authorities. You are entitled to your opinion but facts or facts. The Rockets, Toyota Center Security and HPD didn't feel abusive language was used. How much plainer do YOU need it? We've been explicity told that already ...generally speaking. The Rockets found no cause to do so regarding this incident. It was the Rockets plan to keep a representative with us since before the Rowdy tryouts. Can we just agree to disagree? Or are you going to continue to say the same thing over and over and over and over. I don't know how many ways you need to hear that your opinion on this matter means very little.
Are you threatening to tattle-tale? HAHAHAHAHHAAHAA. Oh my God, that is hilarious. First of all I doubt your e-mail would be at all objective. Why not let the Rockets organization read this thread and decide for themselves without your own coloring of the events in an e-mail. Red Rowdies - Keep up the good work, glad to have you guys around!
Ummm...no. It's another person with the sound thinking. You can't be serious.... The primary reason to buy a ticket is to watch the game. You call verbal harrassment entertaining? . Did you read the NBA code of conduct? Damn, you are thick! It's not an accepted norm if it violates the code of conduct. They were abusive to her, get that in your head. What we do know is the Rowdies harrased and abused the woman. But to follow up with your moronic train of thought.... You think if someone gave you a ticket, you have no right to expect the code of conduct to apply to you? Good for you. Having a lively crowd does help. Having fans do crap like the Rowdies did to this woman does not.
That is the primary reason but that isn't only reason. There is an atmosphere at a live game that includes things such as friendly banter and chants, otherwise everyone would just watch the game at home. "Sore Loser" at a basketball game is not verbal harrassment, and it can be entertaining depending on the circumstances. Yep I read it, and the Rowdies didn't violate it. Again you have to look the environment you are in. Yelling "Come on that call was weak!" at somebody using a cell phone in Best Buy might be verbally abusive, but yelling it at a ref in a fired up basketball arena is just par for the course. What we know is that according to your definition of abuse the Rowdies did that. According to almost everyone elses they didn't. I don't care whether the woman was given a ticket or not. You were the one who kept referring to her as a paying customer. I think the point is that you could just say I see the idea of what is acceptable in an NBA arena different from everyone else. Nobody would be upset or give you too much grief over that. But rather than just say that, and move on, you proceed to insult people and try to exaggerate things to make others look wrong. It won't help those who are too uptight.
If you are chanting at the opposing team it's acceptable. Not at other fans. Are you really this dumb or is this an act? She flipped them the bird twice. I'd say she was insulted. The code of conduct states they should be free to enjoy the experience without being verbally abused. You're the one who lacks understanding. Read the code of conduct. I have shown you proof where it's not accepted and all you offer in response some unwritten accepted norms. The Rowdies are self admitted frequent violators of code of conduct at TC. They have been asked to curtail their conduct many times. This was another that they should have been reprimanded before because it clearly violates the code of conduct set down by the league.
