no worries, if the right wishes to state that the administration is acting on par with terrorists i will graciously concede that point.
Who told the enemy that their prisoners were being held without trial? The same people that told <I>us</I> that information. You think things like the Abu Gharib prison scandal should have been kept under wraps? The press works both ways. It exposes problems, which can hurt us, but also forces us to fix said problems. We hold ourselves to the highest of standards - and to do that, you can't let gov't do what it wants without oversight. Our own leaders and government have proven time and time again that it will do unethical and illegal things if unchecked. We don't accept our government doing things like that, and the American people have a right to know about it so we can make informed decisions on leadership.
Back to the topic: "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Is anyone else offended over these comments? I find it so distasteful. After 911 we were united and for Rove to use this as a political issue because support for Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9-11) is wavering I find it to be un-American. He's trying to draw a line basically say "if you support were angry about 9-11 you should support the president because democrats just want to placate terrorists." As a current new yorker, a veteran of the first gulf war and a liberal, all I have to say is that I kick this sob's ass if I could.
Are you threatening Mr. Rove? The Secret Service might want to talk to you about that. I can't say I am surprised, as that's typical of your side. The ever so kind Sam Fisher wants me to commit suicide. So far, I have declined that gracious offer. Meanwhile, from: http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010836.php
Easy man, I think they are as serious as Jessie Helm suggesting Clinton bring bodyguard if he were to accept to go to Mr Helm's Thanksgiving turkey dinner in North Carolina.
Not something to joke about? Was Secret Service all over Mr. Helm, treating him as a domestic terrorist threatening the leader of the free world? Didn't he still comfortably sit in the Senate Chamber after he made that remark? Wasn't he again elected by his beloved North Carolinians?
Perhaps they should have been. What is quite clear is that your side is constantly engaging in this sort of behavior.
Hey, I am a just neutral observer in this dog eat dog hoopla. As side note, is Secret Service really responsible for protecting president's political advisor?
gwayneco, "your side"? ahh their it is, the whole purpose of rove's statements.... to divide. "THOSE guys do this, THOSE guys do that, I'm a real american THOSE guys hate the flag, THOSE guys hate god" don't believe the hype.
Rove's comments are off base. The country was almost totally unified after 9/11 and supported the invasion of Afghanistan. Rove suggesting that liberals wanted to coddle terrorists is BS. It is puzzling to me that after Rove FALSELY accuses part of the population of the U.S. of not being willing to be tough on terrorists, that Gwayneco accuses the other side of saying devisive things?
exactly - most everybody but the liberalist of the liberals supported invading afghanistan. just b/c we disagree w/ invading iraq doesnt mean we wanted to be soft on the perpetrators of 9/11. this is just a pathetic attempt to draw a link b/t 9/11 and iraq. to generalize ALL liberals like this is just stupid and dishonest. its no different than howard dean saying that no republican has worked an honest day in his life. to throw out these broad sweeping generalizations like this is just ignorant.
AHEM...Just a reminder. "This war has been and always will be about WMD's" White house spokesperson in a briefing to the press. Id just like the Bush admistration to figure out which lie, or story they want to press. First this was was about 9-11. Then it was about WMDs Then it was about the Humanitarian issues (post invasion) Then it was WMDs again Then it was about ousting a madman Then about stopping the terrorism hotbead of IRAQ FLIP.....FLOP Make up your damn minds. Yellow Cake Uranium anyone?
No. it is the left that is dividing the country. Here's some more looniness, but this time from your fellow travellers in Australia. http://www.hwt.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15708883^25717,00.html
It was about all the above. It was predicated on intelligence which is usually flawed and/or conflicting. At various points, one thing or another became the centerpiece of conversation but that is not the same as flip-flopping. Humanitarian issues were brought up pre-invasion (SOTU2003) Afghanistan was about 9/11 Iraq was about a wider war on terror WMDs were a fact of life in Iraq at one time. Every intelligence service had some report that they were still viable, but if you'd rather believe a lying SOB like Saddam... okay. Yellow cake may have been the low point-- kind of like Clinton's aspirin factories. Was he lying too?
The point is: Bush told AMERICA that he was invading because of a link between Al-qaeda and Iraq. That was the only reason we allowed him to invade. Yet it was a lie. He lied, lied, lied, lied.
Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," this statement was made just as a desperate attempt to reenergize the republican base because america is starting to realize invading Iraq was a mistake. the timing, the rhetoric. every thing about. this was a very calculated political move. surely everyone can see that. now explain to me why they did it?, if not to try to draw a line and say, "if you were mad about 9-11 you should support the president, if you think the 9-11 attacker deserve therapy support democrats." Yea that's a crazy article. Jaspan seems nuts from that article. So? Your telling me because i think going into iraq was a mistake i'm a stereotype. That's what each side will try to do. The Rep. wants to portray every Dem. as a tie-dye wearing hippy, who drives a volvo and, does yoga and doesn't believe in god. the Dems. try to portray the Rep. as a bunch of religious freaks that want nothing but war and want large corporations to rule the world. We must look beyond all this crap to see what we believe is best for our country not what a certain party says we should believe. The Senate use to be good at that, not any more i'm sad to say. The war is on Terror not just the perpetrators of 9/11. that's revisionist history. if they had found wmd's you would not be saying that.
