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[Round 1] Lakers vs. Suns

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by reggietodd, Apr 21, 2006.

  1. tinman

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    MVP! MVP! MVP!
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  2. vcchlw

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    At least ppl can't say Kobe>TMac becoz both of them lost the series when their teams up by 3-1.
     
  3. Coach AI

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    Haha...bye bye Lakers.

    Now take it to 'em, Clippers.
     
  4. francis 4 prez

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    about what?

    how, letting diaw tear kwame a new one? not having smush parker on his team?


    so you think the suns have a supporting cast and the lakers don't but nash is obviously the mvp.

    and if winning a series makes you an mvp, then i guess nash has to give last year's up. and is about to have to give this year's up.
     
  5. tigermission1

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    Except I can make a good argument that that Pistons team was significantly better than this Suns team...and that T-Mac's supporting cast sucked more.

    Still, you're right.

    This is a big man's game, Jordan proved to be the exception to the rule, that's why he's the greatest ever. I think no one will have a better shot at proving us wrong than Lebron James, I think he has the most tools to absolutely dominate and destroy teams from the perimeter, Kobe is the 2nd player on that list although two years from now no one will be even close to King James...that kid is TERRIFYINGLY good.
     
  6. 3814

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    cassell had:

    -better support cast
    -worse team record
    -worse fg%
    -worse ft%
    -less ppg
    -less rpg
    -less apg
    -equal defensive stats (steal + block = 1 per game)
    -worse assist-to-turnover ratio
    -etc.

    but you probably have some great reasons to call him the mvp :rolleyes:.
     
  7. TECH

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    Kobe must have been having back problems.
     
  8. Coach AI

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    Hey, francis4prez. Kobe lost.

    Let it go man...

    Let it go.
     
  9. tinman

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    who freaking cares!

    CLIPPERS
    SAM
    CUTTINO!!

    You Laker fans can go fishing now!
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  10. 3814

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    keep dreamin for kobe to tear you a new one...i mean, it might come true.

    ...but seriously, you're man love for kobe is out of control.
     
  11. francis 4 prez

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    shouldn't there be some sort of smush parker corollary to this?
     
  12. tigermission1

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    LOL! Still grasping at straws :D

    I can't decide what's funnier: your man-love of Kobe or your 'resentment' of Steve Nash.

    Either way, it's funny to me.

    Nash MAKES that supporting cast 'better', just look at how "solid" or non-existent those players were before they played with the MVP.

    LOL! Funny you say that, I can't remember if it were you or someone else (or both) that were stating "this is why Kobe is the real MVP" when the Lakers were winning. Funny how your argument is being used against you, huh?

    But again, you're right, the MVP award is for the REGULAR SEASON, not the playoffs, so in that case there is ample evidence as to why Steve Nash was the most deserving of the MVP.

    Oh, btw, GOOOOOOOO CLIPPERS!
     
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  13. tinman

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    The clippers haven't been to the playoffs in ....30 years
    there's my 30 reasons.

    here's my other reasons:
    heart
    leadership

    why dont try measuring Sam's heart and leadership?
    its off the charts.
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  14. SamFisher

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    Shawn Marion was an allstar and Olympian before Steve Nash. Amare Stoudemire was rookie of the year before Steve Nash. Steve Nash left Dallas and their players remained good. Joe Johnson is still a decent player without Nash. Let's quash this "Nash has no supporting cast" argument - they have a lot of talented players who were high round draft picks.
     
  15. tinman

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    Sam will have a chance to make both MVP candidates look bad.

    Sam led the Clippers to a better record than the Lakers.

    Sam will now face Nash to see who moves on.

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  16. mateo

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    I couldn't be happier with the result of this series.

    Great series...topped off with Laker loss.

    No more Kobe for 6 months.
     
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    First off, I'm one of the folks who thought giving the MVP to Nash was the equivalent of giving it to David Robinson. An ill-timed curse and a goad to the rival, in this case Kobe.

    Having said that, I gained enormous respect for Nash in this series. Not for his assists, but for the way he took the "jump ball" at the end of overtime in Game 4. He got mauled, but instead of throwing a hissyfit and getting T'd up(which is what I would have done), he kept his cool, played out the final seconds, and when Kobe put in that killer shot, Nash didn't spend the next 24 hours whining about the homer call. The man just went about his business.

    Oh, and I don't mind Barkley having to eat **** again for declaring the Suns dead after Game 4.
     
  18. tigermission1

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    On the other hand, guys like Boris Diaw, Eddie House, and Tim Thomas were obviously superstars before they joined Nash, and Quentin Richardson has had a marvelous season with the Knicks.

    BTW, I never said he had "no supporting cast", but his supporting cast is certainly nothing great or to brag about, but somehow they all seem to 'maximize' their production with the Suns. May be it's the system, may be it's Nash, may be Nash IS the system. Who knows?

    Really, I don't care either way, I just don't like it when people dismiss this guy as if he's "unworthy" or something. They have lost Amare Stoudamire, Joe Johnson, and Quentin Richardson (not to mention Kurt Thomas for a stretch there and in these playoffs) and yet they had a similar record to theirs last season...I wonder what/who was the only constant...
     
  19. Clutch

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    That must be "won" a playoff series (I'm guessing) because the Clippers made the playoffs three times in the '90s. In fact, they almost knocked us off in the first round in 1992-93.

    I don't like the Suns, but I hate Kobe even more. He's just so damn arrogant and selfish, in my book. I pulled for the Suns to knock off Kobe, but in the end didn't really care who won ... just as long as one of them had to lose in the first round.
     
  20. francis 4 prez

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    incorrect. i don't even dislike watching nash play. you don't understand the argument i'm making. it's not even about kobe and nash. it's about any player A and player B in this situation. i like my mvp's to have the biggest effect on the court. nash doesn't. the stats say he doesn't. what do you have to back up your assertion that he does? please, i'd love the evidence. "i think he does ftw!" won't get it done.

    and for 11 consecutive years magic was in the top 8 of PER (including 7 years in the top 4 and one at #1). steve nash has not been in the top 10 in either of the last two years. next question please.

    no, he didn't. the PER category doesn't exist for his profile b/c he never made the top 10. apparently you don't understand how to take things other than the famous "makes his teammates better" into account. magic had a huge impact on games and won championships and is considered one of the best ever and the stats bear this out. forgive me if i don't put nash in that category.

    well i can't argue with that. they did in fact vote him the mvp.

    really? he's been better than lebron?

    yes, but it is a disgrace that nash has two.

    these are the same types of people who made reggie bush the heisman winner in a landslide. i, and other longhorn fans, were in the minority trying to explain vince young was better. i think we proved our point. there's no accounting for the snowball effect of popular opinion when a large majority of the voting is done by people taking their cues from the very people who are also doing the voting. reggie bush is awesome b/c everyone else says he is and i saw a highlight of a punt return against washington that was awesome so they must be right.
     

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