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[Round 1] Lakers vs. Suns

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by reggietodd, Apr 21, 2006.

  1. swu

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    Wasn't bennet salvadore also the one who told JVG that there was no way Finley was out of bounds during Game 5 of last year's Mavs series?
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Then you are asking to lose, just like the Lakers lost. The Suns knew Kobe wouldn't pass, and trapped him on the sideline, and he heaved up an airball. Say what you want about Brown (8-9 shooting), and not being able to catch the ball. But Kobe turned it over 7 times in game 6.

    When teams know you won't pass no matter what, they can shut any player in the NBA down. That is why The Bulls had such big shots by folks like Paxon, and Kerr. Jordan eventually learned to trust his teammates, and they won.

    Hakeem, passed it out for clutch shots, from any number of Rockets during our two championships.

    Yes Kobe or the super star should try and take the clutch shots, and put their teams on their shoulders during the stretch. They should not run away from what was working all game, and they should trust teammates with open looks, and not force up crap shots.

    Kobe did that and he lost. What you are defending right now, is a style of basketball that loses.
     
  3. francis 4 prez

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    uhh, they didn't trap him. shawn marion guarded him. steve nash basically came over at the last second and had no chance of affecting the shot w/o a sudden increase in his vertical leap. by the time nash came over the clock had already gone way down (as planned to give the suns no time), if he passes it to parker there's no guarantee he even gets a shot off before the buzzer, which would be really bad. the lakers only mistake was in giving it to kobe, a right hander, on the right side of the court by the baseline. he could only go left, meaning he would have to push it back towards marion, which is why marion tipped it and it came up short. i'll take kobe shooting on a guy one on one for the win every time. i would think almost anyone would. that's how the end of games always works. jordan's pass to kerr happened on a harder double team when there was still time.

    i can't believe you think this is why the lakers lost. one play is now your defense? it's not like parker was going to automatically make the shot. hell, it's not like anyone was going to automatically make a shot with 6.3 seconds left with sharing. it's not like you have time to work it around for a good shot. we know kobe can hit big shots, and it was his shot to take. saying that that now lost the game is crazy. and parker would pretty much be the guy the suns would be begging to take it.

    what, were they going to kwame to win the game or something? he had that 3 point play with about 3 minutes left. it's not like they never gave it to him. and he had a nice game, but about 6 of his shots were dunks and layups from other people, it's not like he was working every one over on the low block or something.

    to what, 50 points? it's not like kobe forced shot after shot into double teams. you could even say he forced a shot until overtime really, when the lakers were already down 5 or 7. he basically played a very efficient game with very spaced out shooting and scoring up until OT.

    when he was doubled. now when he was single teamed.

    you don't really have time to run the triangle with 6.3 seconds. kobe shooting on shawn marion isn't exactly going away from anything. he did it earlier in the game. if he can't take that shot when should he ever shoot? presumably at least one guy will always be trying to guard him.

    what you are defending right now is horrible defense b/c you don't seem to recognize that as the reason they lost. the lakers got a 3 point lead with 30 seconds left. the suns then hit 9 of their next 10 shots and took off with the victory. kobe shooting a defended jumper for the win and then 5 of 7 the rest of the way while everyone else shot 0 -3 is not why they lost and i don't see any other way to put it.
     
  4. francis 4 prez

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    so how many are the suns going to win by today? i say 11.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    They trapped Kobe on the base line. I understand that Kobe was going for the win on the last shot, and I agree other players may not have made the shot either. No shot is guaranteed. But there were Lakers who had a better look than Kobe did.

    In overtime I think the Lakers only had one score that wasn't Kobe.

    I am sorry if I wasn't clear on shutting the one star down comment I made. I didn't mean for the whole game, I meant down the stretch or on key plays. Yes Kobe had 50 points. But at the end as soon as the Suns defense trapped Kobe on the side of the court, he didn't have much of a chance.

    Yes Tim Thomas had to come up big, yes the Suns had to make a lot of shots to win, but in the playoffs good teams will make those shots. The Lakers may have still lost, but I believe that they had a better chance of winning, using the game plan that had gotten them the leads earlier in the game, than going all Kobe all the time during overtime.
     
  6. OddsOn

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    The back-to-back NBA MVP - Steve Nash - seals the deal tonight with a triple double to send Kobe and the Zen Gasser home for the summer... :cool:
     
  7. Rocket River

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    I would like to see a stat
    because
    I'm willing to bet. . . if someone was down 3-1
    IF it went to a game seven . . they won
    THe big MOMENTUM is on Phoenix's side

    Rocket River
     
  8. tigermission1

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    ESPN just showed it minutes ago, I believe it is 4-0 all-time for teams who're able to come back from a 3-1 deficit to force a Game 7 on their homecourt. So if the Suns lose, it will be a first.
     
  9. KaiSeR SoZe

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    I think the Lakers will win.
     
  10. Plowman

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    I agree,the Lakers will win...
    Take the 6 and bet them on the money line for a fourth as much.
     
  11. tigermission1

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    Uh-oh...Barkley just gave the Suns their second "Kiss of Death" in franchise history: he predicted they will win :eek:
     
  12. tigermission1

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    OMG! A Cedric Ceballos sighting.
     
  13. tigermission1

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    Whoa! What a move by Nash on Odom!
     
  14. francis 4 prez

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    well exaclty as i figured. phoenix is on fire to start the game, the lakers have basically refused to guard anyone (what happened to the effective switching earlier in the series) and nash is on fire and smush parker still sucks. perfect storm. lakers may lose by more than 11, a lot more. kobe can't guard everyone and that means lots of people are going to score for the suns.
     
  15. francis 4 prez

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    WTF!! how many times are we going to kwame to run the offense? already has two turnovers and a few bricks.

    oh my dear Lord, did smush just take an early 3 while being guarded? nice steal and dunk, don't ruin it.
     
  16. Nick

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    Not true... the Knicks lost to the Pacers at home in 1995. They were down 3-1, came back and forced the game 7... and then lost (amazingly) that game at MSG.
     
  17. tigermission1

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    LMAO@Smush Parker :D

    On a sidenote, and this is a serious question: Whom would we have to trade to the Suns to get back Leondro Barbosa as our starting PG? I would give up anyone on our current roster not named Yao or McGrady.
     
  18. KaiSeR SoZe

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    maybe the lakers will lose
     
  19. francis 4 prez

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    he is the single biggest reason this series is tied and is already being the single biggest reason they are about to lose game 7. will he be traded before he walks off the court after the game?
     
  20. tigermission1

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    I am just relaying what I saw on ESPNEWS an hour or so before the game...
     

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