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[ROSENFELS] He's Not Invincible!

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Rocketman95, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. SwoLy-D

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    I disagree. It's their first FREAKIN' YEAR, for Gosh sakes, men. :mad:

    You know VY is way bigger than Carr in size, can take hits more than Carr, and has better running speed, hence the decision to let him handle "it". But don't forget, Norm threw VY in the fire with the 4th quarter comeback, and he handled it well. Everybody agrees it was desperate times calling for desperate measures, but VY handled it awesomely. Sadly, I am starting to think that with this OL Carr wouldn't have. :(
     
  2. MadMax

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    but with the vaunted Titans offensive cast, he would have??

    by the way...your first point is what frustrates the hell out of some of us.

    we were told we didn't want to take a QB in the first round, because we didn't want to wait on young QB to develop. now we're being told that our 5th year QB is actually just like a first year QB in that he's playing in a brand new system. and he should be graded/judged in that same way. i find that to be very frustrating.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    no arguments here. but would you rather have david carr and mario williams (or reggie bush, or whoever was the "right" player to take first overall) or just vince young? that was the texans' thinking (hope) - they'd groom (read: rehabilitate) a #1 qb AND get a top overall pick.
     
  4. updawg

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    Personally, I was hoping they would have traded the pick. Not extended Carr, and got some journeyman QB to fill in for a few years while a drafted qb could be groomed.
     
  5. MadMax

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    i'd rather have vince young.
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    Some people (not ALL people) here act like we didn't even use the top pick since we didn't take Vince or Reggie.

    If Vince turns out to be the best offensive player in the draft and Mario turns out to be the best defensive player in the draft, can you really fault the Texans for doing what they did?

    The Texans took the best defensive prospect in the draft at #1. I'm sorry, but if Vince, Reggie, and Mario all turn out to be great, I don't fault the Texans for going with Mario at all.
     
  7. MadMax

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    i fault them for not looking. they made a decision to extend carr without giving serious thought to the 3 QB's who went in the first 10 picks or so. casserly was still around, remember. they didn't want to admit they might have messed up the first ever draft pick.

    and, i think there's more to the Houston Texans drafting VY than what's just on the field. especially for a team struggling to find an identity. but i realize that's a little too "soft" for some of you.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're a longhorn fan, does it?
     
  9. MadMax

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    absolutely it does!!! i've never said it doesn't. i watched this guy play BEFORE he was a Longhorn and was amazed. i was a fan when he was at madison h.s.

    i don't think that has to be wholly ignored. if he really weren't very good and this was all he had...just popularity...then my view would be entirely warped.

    but i think he's going to show you that he's pretty good.
     
  10. Hey Now!

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    MM, travis henry is averaging 92 rushing yards in his 8 starts [a nearly 1,500-yard pace] - that's 5th best in the national football league. they may not be the indianpolis colts, but they're not the oakland raiders, either.

    they looked max; scouting doesn't commence at the combine; i'm sure they tailed young, leinart, bush and many others all year.

    kubiak, not casserly, had the chance to wipe the slate clear - he had no obligation to or history with david carr and kubiak wasn't oblivious to young's well of support locally. and in the face of all that, he still picked carr. and when he did, i decided to give carr one more chance... if kubiak believed in him that much, who was i to disagree?
     
  11. MadMax

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    1. travis henry didn't bother to show up to the game in question...the one we were talking about.

    2. i have no idea exactly how the decision to extend carr was arrived at. but at some point they cut all looking short and decided carr was the guy. they had a meaningless VY workout after they extended carr. they left 3 guys on the board. my bet is that all 3 end up with better careers than david carr. only one of them was drafted by a legit team.

    3. it's ok to disagree with people who are charged with making these decisions, ric. i'm sure you have before...i'm sure you did with charlie. just because kubiak says it's so, doesn't mean it is.
     
  12. ima_drummer2k

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    Perhaps, but if Mario turns out to be the next Bruce Smith, I probably won't care.
     
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    But he was wrong, Carr has failed, regardless of Kubiak's decision or not. It was a bad decision, just like everybody though it was.
     
  14. MadMax

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    i will. there's no way you'll convince me that having a franchise defensive end is as valuable as having a franchise QB.

    but i have no ill will for mario at all. i really like the guy.
     
  15. ima_drummer2k

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    Yes, that's becoming abundantly clear. Personally, I think there are 1 or 2 good QB prospects in every draft. Not that many DE's though.

    Vince had an amazing game the other day. But remember Carr won his first game EVER for an expansion team. And people were saying the same things about him then that they're saying about Vince now.
     
  16. MadMax

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    come on. you have an opinion, too. i'm not convincing you or ric or nick or prancer or vixen to change your mind. i believed extending carr was a mistake. i believed passing on VY was a colossal mistake for this franchise, both on and off the field. i think that's already begun to prove true...in large measure with carr and smaller measure with VY.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    I was actually kidding when I said that. Sorry, I don't do smilies anymore. I think they're gay.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    and if mario williams has a better career than those three guys....?

    it's giving the new guy the benefit of the doubt; i'd hate to think our new coach blew to smithereens the first-ever decision he had to make in his new position.

    here's all i know about gary kubiak: over the course of two afternoons last april, he and his staff pulled five legitimate starters from the draft, nearly as many as the previous regime did in four years. literally. so he's either really, really lucky or has a flair for player evaluation.

    so if the guy overseeing the texans' most recent draft says carr can play, i'm going to give him space to prove it.

    i was done with carr last year. tell me if this sounds familair:
    yeah, that's not me quoting one of your previous posts - i wrote that. last november. and meant it. even thru preseason this year, i still felt that way.

    but over the first 11 games, i've been encouraged. i don't yet think the situation is unsalvageable. i also think all kinds of wheels are in motion behind the scenes. none of us our privy to practices, coaching sessions, game film and the 100s of other avenues kubiak has to make his evaluation. and he's sticking by carr in the face of tremendous pressure. so i'm going to trust he knows more than me, sees more than me, and has a better feel for it than me.

    i'm in his corner - in the franchise's corner - as long i believe and trust the guy. i've certainly wavered this year from time to time; he's made some mistakes. but i'm going to let it play out.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    so you are stating that we could not have gotten *anything* for Carr?

    Rocket RIver
     
  20. Rocket River

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    How Long did you have this type of attitue with Casserly and Capers?
    and how did that work out?

    Rocket RIver
     

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