You seem to be missing the fact that we're talking about *fan support*. I never said a team should allow fans to dictate what the team does. In fact, I said the exact opposite, if you had actually bothered to read. That doesn't change the fact that a franchise will have to deal with the backlash of picking against the fans. The franchise can and should do what it wants. The fan base should and will respond the way it wants. If the franchise makes a decision the fans vehemently disagree with, and it backfires, they will hear it from the fans. Do you actually have a problem with that?
yes, i do, in a way. at some point, you have to move on and support the choices they've made. i personally root for franchises, not individuals. we can't go back and undo what's been done, so whining and b****ing it about accomplishes absolutely nothing. i'm not looking down at people who DO hold too long - hell, i've let my frustration and impatience get the best of me, too. but as the texans emrged from a tough opening stretch and started to show some real growth, i was reminded why i DO root for teams and not individuals.
who are you talking about? the people b****ing are still watching. they're still rooting for the texans. they're disappointed. many, like me, felt the texans made a huge mistake giving the extension to carr....and now many of us feel like that we're reaping the crap of that. the tickets were still sold. that might change eventually if they can't find a way to put a compelling product on the field. but for now, it's ok. the texans should thank their lucky stars that people care enough to be angry. there ain't much to be happy about there. the alternative is ambivalence or apathy.
have they shown growth or is it just another 3-7 season? Will we be doing this same thing again next year? Is this groundhog day? Thats why people are b****ing, they are ready to make a move (hopefully for the better) so that someday we can be better.
You constantly whine and b**** about the old coaching staff and how Casserly sucked and what not. Why haven't you moved on? Why do you b**** about the O-Line and the lack of a running game? You can't undo it. Why not supposed the choices that have been made? Why criticize at all? Apparently people can only b**** about what you think they should b**** about in your mind. What a big, fat load of crap.
Man, so much for benching Carr...I love Van Pelt...He was a gamer in college and should Carr get hurt, I think we'd be just fine...
If it wasn't for Charlie Casserly no way we could have acheived the lows we are facing as a franchise, his drafts and free agents signings have ensured we will be rebuilding for another 3-4 yrs. We need a starting QB, 3-4 good offensive linemen, a running back, 2 defensive linemen, 2 outside linebackers, a cover corner back, 2 safeties. It wouldn't hurt to find a punter and a punt returner and kick off returner. Other than that we are on the upswing. And if you don't think we have that many holes then all you want is respect and you don't want to go to a Super Bowl. I want a championship, isn't that what the Texans are playing for? Dan Reeves hurt us to no end and whatever Kubiak sees in Carr killed us during this past draft. I don't like hearing about hindsight and blah blah blah what's past is past. In professional sports it is all about getting the best players and the best coaches. Potential means nothing- wins mean everything. Tony Romo > David Carr and that hurts to say so. Rosenfels is a better QB than David Carr. So what. Rosenfels is nothing to brag about, we need to get rid of both of them (although either would be an OK back up)
The Texans had fans in mind when they started this franchise... they figured they'd get more publicity with a pretty boy who could be the FACE of this franchise, at the most glamorous position in all of sports (starting QB). This city was craving pro football so badly, nobody felt they could do any wrong (especially after how the last franchise left town... especially with the way the media spun every move they made as a positive). If they simply wanted to "win" long term, they would have sat the guy the first year... or not drafted him at all. They would have gotten the non-glamorous DE who nobody would be able to recognize if you simply saw a picture of his face. Starting in 2006, the Texans are finally realizing that FOOTBALL decisions are more important... hence the DE, LB, and O-line picks.
Right. And choosing Carr over other opportunities was a poor football decision, in my mind. Particularly if it is as you say and Kubiak's very job rests on the development of David Carr.
Well, a lot of you felt that way the second it happened... I'm still looking at it compared to what Carr, and this offense, was at the end of last season. 11 games in, there has been a fluctuation of improvement and regression... this fluctuation was to be expected (you don't go from 2-14 to consistency overnight). Overall, there has been more improvement than regression... but its still not at the level that most would deem "acceptable". If at the end of the year, the improvement isn't what it needs to be, the neccessary changes have to be made. (but benching Carr for a team that won't sniff the playoffs doesn't accomplish anything.) I'm still more concerned at their long-term solution to run the football... we know they're not drafting a RB, so they either get these blockers to learn the zone-blocking scheme, or they go out and get blockers that can do it.
i'd say it's a lot like 2004. good first half (though not as good as 2004's first half for Dave) and poor second half (though admittedly, we're only through 3 games of the 2nd half of the season). i think this is what you can expect from david carr. the unexpected. inconsistency. the best days aren't great...the worst days can be downright miserable. so after another year...i think we're gonna see that it's the same old song and dance. despite the fact they improved personnel on his side of the ball and seem to be working diligently on building his confidence under the instruction of Kubiak.
i have moved on; please direct us to a post in which i've cried about who they should have hired or drafted those first 4 years. i b**** about the OL and the running game because both are abysmal. but i don't sit and cry about how they should have drafted clinton portis or d'brickashaw fergueson, or whoever. you're right; people are free to b**** about whatever they want. unfortunately, they can't redo the 2006 draft and retroactively pick the best player... or the most popular player... or any other player. they can, however, moving forward, improve the running game, the OL, the secondary, etc. b****ing about something that isn't ever going to change under any circumstance is useless; b****ing about something that CAN change, and needs to change, however, is a completely different animal. if you're so upset they passed on so-so, go root for so-so and his new team. that you CAN change.
Taking into account our crippled OL, and no Domanick Davis (who was still a better than average runner), I don't think all things are equal to 2004. I wasn't joking when I said there was more overall talent on the expansion team roster than there was going into this year. Guys like Owen Daniels and Spencer (before he got hurt) have been nice suprises, but there's still a loooooooooong way to go before we can say everything is in place. Also, your comment above screams of the "its mainly the QB, everything else is getting better." POV that you're insisting you're not taking. If you truly believe everything is still a problem, in addition to the QB, why single him out and insinuate that the personnel surrounding him is much improved enough to where he should be great. Carr has improved... he hasn't improved enough to where he needs to be... the rest of the year dictates what happens from now, and whether or not this team is even healthy enough to have warranted the improvement (they're all dropping like flies).
Why? You yourself said something to the effect that a mistake is letting the fans dictate the draft. What in the world makes you think they would let the fans dictate anything else? You're not making any sense. You can't b**** about something that you have NO control over, then criticize others for b****ing about something that they also have NO control over, if that's your stance.
This is an argument that you simply can't win Ric. No matter how well the Texans do from now on, they will continue to find themselves measured against what Tennessee does under Vince Young. That he plays in the same division as does the Texans only serves to make matters worse. It is a tough pill for many here to swallow watching Vince Young grow better on the field while listening to his coaches and teammates express awe and joy at having him especially given the fact that the Texans had a chance to draft him. Some folks will never be able to accept this in much the same way Portland fans never forgave the Trailblazers for passing on Jordan or the way Dallas fans never forgave the Mavericks for passing on Karl Malone. Well, at least people still care enough to be pissed off...for now...
