I find this a more intriguing history lesson than others have posted recently. Ron Paul followers pose danger for McCain in West By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY Associated Press Writer LAS VEGAS (AP) - Dueling delegations pitting Ron Paul's Nevada supporters against those of John McCain vow to take their fight to the Republican National Convention. That's just one sign that the outsider, Internet-fueled movement led by the feisty Republican congressman from Texas remains afloat in the wake of McCain's victory in the GOP primaries. In the libertarian-leaning West, where Paul's message of distrust of the federal government and ardent individualism played particularly well, there is talk of Republicans straying from McCain. Libertarian candidate Bob Barr has emerged as a favorite alternative for Paul activists, followed by Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin. Even if the numbers of such dissenters are small, in tight contests in key Western states they could spoil McCain's chances, experts say. "In Nevada, there's absolutely enough to have an effect on the election," said Chuck Muth, a leading conservative activist in a state in which early polls show McCain and Democratic candidate Barack Obama in a statistical tie. "I think that you will see not just Libertarians who always vote for the Libertarian candidate but conservative Republicans saying we've had it, we've had enough and they're going to go ahead and vote Libertarian," Muth said. Paul - or "Dr. Paul," as his followers reverently refer to the obstetrician-turned-politician - ran as the Libertarian Party nominee for president in 1988. But this year he carved out a following as an antiestablishment Republican. His campaign won more than 1 million votes and became a catchall for anti-war, anti-government voters and disaffected Republicans. The eclectic coalition racked up significant numbers. Paul placed second - ahead of McCain - in Republican caucuses in Nevada and Montana. He posted strong showings in nominating contests in Colorado, Washington and Oregon. In early June, he pulled away 14 percent of the vote from the already certain nominee in the New Mexico primary. This is the West that McCain must win. The interior West generally has been friendly territory for Republicans seeking the White House. Nevada, Montana and Colorado voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. But history also warns of the impact of feisty Texans who preach small government. "There's little doubt Bill Clinton would not have won Montana if it weren't for Ross Perot," said Bob Brown, a senior fellow at the Center for the Rocky Mountain West at the University of Montana. "And I think it's clear those votes were Republican." The same could be said of Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado, states where the two-time independent candidate for president is often given credit for Clinton's breaking a two-decade-long Republican presidential winning streak in 1992. The McCain campaign says they expect many Paul voters to come home to the GOP before Nov. 4. "At the end of the day, Republicans are going to vote for John McCain. He's a Western candidate who understands water issues, land issues. He's a fiscal conservative," said Rick Gorka, a campaign spokesman. "His message is appealing to a broad spectrum of voters." There's little sign of that unification yet. In Nevada, state GOP officials abruptly shut down the state convention as a group of well-organized newcomers were poised to win delegates for Paul. The group led by Paul supporters then held its own rogue convention and elected its own delegates. For its part, the state party couldn't get enough delegates to attend a second convention and appointed delegates by committee. A judge ruled against the Paul supporters when they filed suit. They now plan to file a challenge with the Republican National Committee. Both groups are heading to the national convention in St. Paul, Minn. "We're trying to say, 'Hey, you guys got to play by the rules, and if you don't, you'll face the consequences,'" said Wayne Terhune, a 57-year-old dentist in Sparks, Nev., and a leading Paul activist in the state. "They just took the football and went home." Even without Nevada, Paul will send at least a handful of delegates to the national convention. Outside the convention hall, his supporters have reserved a 15,000-seat basketball arena for a "mini-convention." Paul hasn't endorsed, but it is clear whom he is not supporting. "I do encourage all the alternatives, obviously, because I can't support either of the two candidates from the Republican or Democratic parties," Paul said this month in an interview on Revolution Radio, an Internet-based station run by his supporters. "I think that might send a message." In interviews with a dozen Paul voters from around the West, anti-administration sentiment rang loudest. Most were newly active in politics but had been regular Republican voters. They said their activism began with opposition to the Bush administration's foreign policy. As newcomers, they expressed little party allegiance and little concern that their third-party votes could benefit Obama, a candidate even further from their views than McCain. "The notion is, let's just break the GOP because the people who are running and holding office in it aren't respecting what the constituents want," said Jay Weeldreyer, a Paul field director in Renton, Wash. "So, if we can just let them suffer a massive loss, then maybe that will get through to them." 2008-07-31 07:06:26 GMT http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/07-31-2008/20080731005007_19.html
What happened in Nevada was an absolute mess. In their caucus straw poll, Mitt Romney won with an overwhelming majority with Paul in second, but only got a slight majority of delegates (all unbound). Many of the Romney delegates were Mormons and Harry Reid Democrats, but switched parties to vote for Romney. The party leaders had endorsed McCain, and were counting on the Romney delegates to elect respected party operatives as their national delegates. The Romney delegates didn't show up, and the Paul delegates did, and had an outright majority. The Paul delegates (mostly party outsiders) planned to elect national delegates from among their own ranks. At the convention in Reno, before the delegates were elected, with time running out on the reserved convention all, the State Party chairman just got up and left, never giving any indication of how it was going to finish. Some of the Paul delegates went to the convention hotel staff and asked for an extension on the hall, and got it, but the quorum was lost, so they couldn't continue. So with an unfinished convention, and no national delegates, the Ron Paul delegates scheduled a time to reconvene and finish the convention, while the Nevada GOP scheduled a replacement convention to start over from scratch. The result is that Nevada will send two groups of delegates to Minnesota, and they will fight it out in front of the Credentials Committee about who gets seated.
Sounds like something from a Hunter Thompson book.... I should reread Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, 1972.
Ron Paul supporters should not take the lack of respect that Dr. Paul is getting from the GOP establishment and should vote for the Libertarian candidate as a way of protesting this lack of respect.
Between Paul and Barr will McCain even pull a majority from his own party? Inquiring minds want to know…
Yes. Paul's no longer running at all. He assumed the role of wise economic sage for Cable News. Barr might double or triple the Libertarian Party's popular vote, to, say, 3%. He might pull enough in Georgia to make it interesting, but he won't be a real player.
I saw a few polls last week (on MSNBC) that showed Barr polling around 10% in New Mexico, Colorado, and others. That may taper off toward the election, but I think it still shows something. Then again, Ross Perot once led in the polls in 1992 so these things happen.
the first part shows the arrogance from the mccain campaign, and really what's wrong with the party. they've become bigger than they really are. if they believe that people will turn out to vote for mccain, or vote republican they are sadly mistaken. most likely people will just stay home. (i realize my grammar construction is poor, i'm tired) the second quote reflects my attitude. i'll be voting for barr, otherwise my vote goes to obama.