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RON ARTEST's defense is so OVER-rated its not even funny

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ambrose86, Nov 7, 2008.

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  1. Nitro1118

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    50/50 on this. Battier is much, much better fighting through screens, and slightly better at getting a hand in the face. Artest is better with his hands and being physical.
     
    #21 Nitro1118, Nov 7, 2008
  2. Asian Sensation

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    Your ability to start a thread is OVER-rated.
     
    #22 Asian Sensation, Nov 7, 2008
  3. AstroRocket

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    I don't know about Ron's D. But I know I definitely miss Shane's. :(
     
    #23 AstroRocket, Nov 7, 2008
  4. clos4life

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    Don't agree with OP. Artest is a great defender, however, in the NBA great inspired offense will always beat great inspired defense. He did all he could defensively. It will help to have shane back for players like Rudy and Ray Allen.
     
    #24 clos4life, Nov 7, 2008
  5. ambrose86

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    how can you be sure he would've made the shot had it been TMAC guarding him?

    You are exactly the type of fans who don't see thru the detailed moments of the game. Ron Artest clearly failed to fight thru screens, which makes rudy fernandes look unstoppable in spurts of the game. If you are to be considered a PREMIER defender, how can you get tricked REPEATEDLY? answer me this.

    Besides, let's not kidd ourselves and answer urself honestly to this question? who would you rather have guarding brandon roy? shane battier, who will have a hand in ROY's ugly face 80% of the time, or ron artest who trips by a simple ball fake by Roy?
     
    #25 ambrose86, Nov 7, 2008
  6. SageHare6

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    Shane would have been a better matchup to Roy.

    Artest did his best. And for most of the game he did quite well against Roy. I still think Artest's D is really really really good. If this thread was for that last second shot, I think it's wrong to blame Artest here. Wasn't his fault.

    theSAGE
     
    #26 SageHare6, Nov 7, 2008
  7. jedicro

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    1. Roy was being guarded by McGrady at the end, not Artest. I don't know what happened there, it looks like McGrady wasn't ready for the play to start.

    2. It was Artest's defense that got the game to overtime to begin with.

    3. Roy shot terribly tonight when Artest was on him outside of that one sick cross.

    4. You're an idiot.
     
    #27 jedicro, Nov 7, 2008
  8. Jeff Who

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    I am not saiyng he played well, he sucked the entire game.

    Maybe it wasn't his best defensive performance but the whole team didn't play defense at all.

    But he definetly didn't lose it because of his defense. It was offense for sure.
     
    #28 Jeff Who, Nov 7, 2008
  9. ambrose86

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    exactly, on-ball defending consists of less than 40% of the total time you are on defense, even if you're suppose to guard the opponent's offensive creater all the time. Besides again, if you got tripped TO THE GROUND when you're defending on the ball on a last shot, then you've got some problem.
     
    #29 ambrose86, Nov 7, 2008
  10. Coach AI

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    When did he get tripped to the ground? Are you talking about Roy's shot?
     
    #30 Coach AI, Nov 7, 2008
  11. iconoclastic

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    OP does know Artest might read his thread right...
     
    #31 iconoclastic, Nov 7, 2008
  12. Lovemachine2000

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    Quoted for Truth. OP needs to grow up and not get upset by one game.
     
    #32 Lovemachine2000, Nov 7, 2008
  13. WilliamGCash

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    Ron is a great defender..... you say he struggled chasing a guard around screens? Um, why would he not struggle with that? Honestly.... how do defend that?

    Ron is a beast on defense..... this loss is not on Ron's defense.
     
    #33 WilliamGCash, Nov 7, 2008
  14. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Battier= Good Defense
    Ron= Good All-around play

    Yes, if it was BAttier for the last second shot, we would have won. But, if Ron didn't play, we wouldn't have even gone to overtime, it'd be the blazers by 6.
     
    #34 Pizza_Da_Hut, Nov 7, 2008
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    Artest defended fine, he's just not as fast as those guys. They would run by him with their speed. It had nothing to do with his defending ability. His defense actually almost saved the game. What I'm worried about right now, is his offensive game.
     
    #35 Bassem, Nov 7, 2008
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    Smile on my face! :D
     
    #36 kaocsaephan, Nov 7, 2008
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    Once he has someone that can do perimeter defense with him (Battier) his value will be seen.
     
    #37 fmullegun, Nov 7, 2008
  18. vinsensual

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    Weve seen the guy hustling on both ends of the court for ~40 minutes per game, and youre criticizing his D now? seriously.
    Its pretty clear his energy is gonna be a cornerstone of rockets ball this year.
    Its not even an either or decision concerning Shane. He's gonna come back, and we'll have him chasing the guards round screens with a hand in the shooter's face, and Ron already waiting for the rebound.
     
    #38 vinsensual, Nov 7, 2008
  19. aggie87

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    Im trying to wonder what type of a defensive team adelman could run with:

    Tmac - pg
    Battier - sg
    Artest - sf
    Hayes - pf
    Yao - c
     
    #39 aggie87, Nov 7, 2008
  20. rocketman1979

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    God wanted Portland to win, nothing we can do about that.
     
    #40 rocketman1979, Nov 7, 2008
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