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RON ARTEST should be disciplinarianally BENCHED...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dero72, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. Kracka0476

    Kracka0476 Member

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    You can go ahead and add your name to the list of people who think Adleman has done nothing. While many people around the organization know that Adleman is the reason our team has stayed together with a injury riddled line-up all year. Just because he isn't on his feet running around screaming doesn't mean he isn't taliking with the assistant coaches about what the next move is going to be. ****, Look at Phil Jackson he doesn't even get out of his chair during games. Rick Adleman hasn't done anything is the most ignorant thing anybody could say about this team. Lets stop pretending that we know how to coach an NBA team than Rick Adelman.
     
  2. declan32001

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    Love it.

    Artest has played well since TMac went pfft, but we're starting to have too many offensive possessions where Artest goes brain-dead now (again).

    I wanted to strangle him during the 4th quarter last night.
     
  3. dero72

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    yep...thats the response i expected.
    when confronted with logic...lets just do some name-calling!

    thats the difference between us, bub...i think we CAN win a championship.
    first, we need to address some issues.

    Who's negative? Why dont you try believing that, with some adjustments, your team can win it all.

    My goodness, this isn't rocket-science...
    You guys with the 'HEY, they WON - why all the problems?'...ask yourself, this: you think Adelman had no stern words for the team, no crit...you think he's cancelled practices and just told everyone to 'enjoy the win'?

    None of you guys mustve ever had a coach like the one i had in high school b-ball. A WIN is good for nothing but a few minutes of celebration in the locker room afterwards...then its coach telling us everything we did WRONG.

    Thats how you get better. Its really basic.
     
  4. Kracka0476

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    Just face it dude. Rick Adelman is the coach and you are not and never will be. Rick gets paid the big bucks because he is one of the most experienced coaches in the league. Also wins not meaning anything is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. I certainly didn't have a coach like yours growing up because mine taught me that winning is everything. You need wins now to get a good spot in the playoffs to help you advance. So... We won last night and I am going to enjoy whether you think i should or not.

    Plus I said we could make a run at . Not that we couldn't win one.
     
  5. magnetik

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    you gotta take the good with the bad with Ron. Fortunately there is more positive then negative. For all the bone head plays there were plays that he stopped Prince from scoring all over us.
     
  6. fmp087

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    Man I was at the game and got so pissed at Ron Ron. Yao was coming through in the clutch and Ron still decided to do his thing (trying to play hero) at the end of the game. He did at the end of regulation and at the end of the first OT.

    Give Yao the freaking ball Ron.
     
  7. Alvin Choo

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    wonder what will happen when/if tmac come back. 2 player making bone headed selfish plays. Or 1 controlling the game when the other is making bone headed plays.
     
  8. MandM's

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    adelman is afraid of him. he isn't going to say anything to him. just bash yao because he will take it and it makes it look like he is doing something
     
  9. johnstarks

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    Ron did a great job of locking up Tayshaun, bullying especially at the end. I get annoyed when he goes for steals, which he does a couple times a game, cuz the opponent can usually counter and find an open man. It happened yesterday. He just needs to play more fundamental defense. On offense, he does a bit too much instinctually. It's good to have a little of that so the offense isn't too predictable, but he does it at the wrong time.
     
  10. stroker

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    ROFLMAO!!
     
  11. Asian Sensation

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    You take the good with the bad. We're ****ing 20 games over .500 and fighting for 2nd in the West with a strong possibility that we'll secure homecourt in the playoffs and some of you mofos are complaining that an integral piece that helped us get this far need to benched? Please.
     
  12. dero72

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    I sometimes wish that it was possible to install some sort of electronic lock on peoples ability to post in a thread until theyve actually READ the entire thread. I have never advocated BENCHING Artest for any long period of time...just for a few minutes everytime he's out of control and being selfish with the ball. This isn't some unorthodox alien way to handle this problem...it happens all over the NBA EVERYNITE. Heck...Adelman even does it from time to time with Barry...when he's in there and not being effective, he gets pulled. Ive seen him do it with Scola. But he will NOT do it with Ron..and that's a mistake. NO player is above the gameplan. Sorry folks, I dont care WHAT Ron has done for us.
    As i said earlier in the thread...I love the man. I think he totally trumps whatever T-Mac is or was or promised to be. He gives the team balls and heart. And i think he is a good players coach of sorts for stimulating some pissed-off passion in Yao. All of this does not excuse him IGNORING the gameplan...or as in last nights example, outright IGNORING the coach, whos screaming at him from the bench to goto Yao.
    Then Adelman gets on Yao, saying HE has to scream and demand the ball. Adelman needs to publicly address Artest. If not in interviews or comments, in the game.
    Again, this is done all the time. I remember when Kobe and Shaq were on the Lakers...from time to time Kobe would completely go rogue...and guess what Hall Of Famer zen -coach Jackson would do? Pull him off the floor for 3 or 4 minutes. Let him know whats up and get his head straight.

    Oh, and btw...they won championship(s).
     
  13. Kracka0476

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    I second this.
     
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    Whether we like it or not, Artest is probably going to be the guy taking the last few shots in close games just because he plays that SG/SF position that T-Mac use to play. I don't think we have anybody better for that last clutch shot besides Artest anyways (Brooks is beginning to prove he might be capable). He just has to get better at hitting those last shots.
     
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    Man, I really don't know what to think/do about Artest. You really don't know what you are going to get from possession to possession, much less game to game.

    He's obviously a great athlete, and many times his sheer effort gets him by.

    I know he's just trying and wants to help his team to victory, but man it sure is nerve-racking to watch how the plays unfold when the ball is in his hands.
     
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    What a stupid post. You people need to get over this "Yao touches the ball every time" crap.
     
  17. comehere2

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    this dude' ego is glowing. i'm worrying.
     
  18. jonjon

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    Now this is just silly... 55 wins last year, the 3rd best record in the west with 80% of the season behind us (not to mention the boat load of injuries and drama along the way), and 852 career wins.

    Just silly...
     
  19. badgerfan

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    Artest needs to get back under control. When he plays one on one the Rockets offense goes to hell.

    He can. He doesn't consistently break the offense through the course of the entire game. He looks pretty good when he does play it. But when he thinks the Rockets are in trouble he bails on the offense and goes one on one. He needs to stick with the game plan.
     
  20. stroker

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    Even after a win it's reasonable for a fan or fans to see a disturbing pattern especially this close to the playoffs. I've been frustrated with the style of Artest's play not being team oriented and the reason many aren't more pissed is because we're winning in spite of his self centered offensive tendancies and because Artest often atones himself late in games by making shots (hell if you keep jacking em' up you're bound to even the shooting average).


    His putting the rock on the floor and dribbling too much troubles me just as much as his ill advised shots (as does when Landry and sometimes Yao and Wafer does it because they have such poor handles)

    Let Artest's poor and iso style of play that neglects Yao happen in the playoffs and we lose in the first round and he'll be run out of town for cap space and a more team oriented player that defers to Yao which they should.

    In most half court sets the ball should go in to Yao a high percentage of the time and there is NO excuse for not feeding your big man when he's on fire.

    Maybe the reason Artest loves Adelman so much is that Adelman has allowed him to freelance and play outside of the team concept without any accountability to the team. I love his effort but this style is disturbing even after a win heading into the playoffs when 99% of us what to get out of the first round to make a point to McShady.
     

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