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Romney to Reveal VP Choice Tomorrow (Saturday, August 11)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. El_Conquistador

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    Typical small-ball, adolescent attack.

    There is no doubt that Romney's plan will bring in a ton of Ryan's plan. Obviously the plan has to change to stay updated with recent happenings.

    If Romney didn't like Ryan's plan, he wouldn't have picked him as vice president -- OBV.
     
  2. rimrocker

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    By the way, Ryan's also a big climate denier who wants to keep USDA from responding to and planning for climate change. All the while his state suffers from the greatest drought since the Dust Bowl era.

    He also voted against efficient lightbulbs.

    He's more polished than some, but he is a true wingnut/Randian acolyte.
     
  3. mc mark

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    No attack at all (you will know when I attack), just an observation.

    As you are, I am quite pleased with the choice.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Please, please make this election about climate change. Americans saw through that fraud quickly -- recognizing it for what it is, just another tax grab by the libs.

    And please provide one shred of evidence that climate change caused the 2012 drought. You can't because it doesn't exist. This type of global warming alarmist junk was debunked a long time ago.
     
  5. glynch

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    Exerpts from an interesting article about Romney's choice of Ryan. The best thing about the Ryan selection is that perhaps we can have a debate on privatizing Medicare and Social Security perhaps, ideas that are only popular with the conservative/Randian ideolgues and their backers in the financial and health industries that want to make $$$ off the needs for health care and retirement security. Dems think that if they can tie other elections to the anti Social Security and Medicare plan, they might even be able to take back the House
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    As Tomasky says if defeated Randians whether GOP'er or "libertarians" won't be ablt to credibly claim their plans weren't rejected
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    Paul Ryan? Really? It’s a stunning choice. A terrible one too. By making it, Mitt Romney tells America that he is not his own man and hasn’t even the remotest fleeting desire to be his own man. He is owned by the right wing. Did I write a couple of weeks ago that Romney was insecure? Well—Q.E.D.

    Ryan will immediately become the flashpoint of this campaign. Yes, he’ll get the usual soft-focus biographical rollout. Expect Republicans to talk endlessly about his authenticity, his blue-collar roots, the fact that he once drove an Oscar Mayer weiner truck—and, certainly, his Catholicism. Also, his brains. He’s a smart guy, no doubt of that, although as I’ve written many times, it says something deeply pathetic about the GOP that Ryan has managed to become a star just because he’s bothered to learn policy.

    More Ryan ReaxDavid Frum: 5 Reasons Romney Picked RyanHoward Kurtz: Romney Doubles Down on Conservative Ideology So he’ll get some good press, and he’ll generate great enthusiasm among conservative intellectuals. But the introduction of him to the American people will inevitably involve some other things, too. It will involve explanations from the media that he is the GOP’s archconservative theoretician. It will involve explaining who Ayn Rand is. It will involve going into detail on his budget, and in particular his plans for Medicare. Learn that now, folks, if you don’t know it already. It will involve endless interpretations exactly like mine, about Romney sending a signal that he is running an ultraconservative campaign. The Ryan controversy will overtake the campaign. Romney will become in some senses the running mate—the ticket’s No. 2.

    Think of it: The candidate will be running on his vice president’s ideas! It’s a staggering thought. Ryan might as well debate Obama this October, and Romney can square off against Biden.

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    So Democrats will have to be smart. They should show respect for Ryan for being a serious guy, but then just explain to people, urgently but not over-heatedly, what he’s proposed. It’s just very hard to imagine that middle-of-the-road voters want harsh future cuts to Medicare, massive tax cuts for the rich, and huge reductions to domestic programs that most swing voters really don’t hate. Does this choice work in Florida, with all those old people? If Romney just sacrificed Florida, he’s lost the election already.

    And why? To placate a party that doesn’t even want him as its nominee anyway. It’s psycho-weird. But at least it will carry the benefit, if this ticket loses, of keeping conservatives from griping that they lost because their ticket was too moderate. Conservatism will share—will own—this loss.

    Is all that "daring"? Well, Thelma and Louise were "daring" too, but they ended up at the bottom of a canyon. If the Democrats handle this situation properly, that's where this ticket will end up too, and then the rest of us—the people who don't want federal policy to be based on Atlas Shrugged—can finally and fully press the case to the right that America is not behind you, and please grow up.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ng_news&utm_term=Breaking News and Exclusives
     
  6. rimrocker

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    Public high school.
    Public university.
    Worked for family business.
    Congressional staffer, with service jobs for additional money.
    Speechwriter for Jack Kemp.
    Staffer for Sam Brownback.
    Member of Congress.

    http://www.eschatonblog.com/
     
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    I wish a stance on science mattered in modern America, but it won't rank in the top 20 issues for most voters.

    Romney, at least via Mormon heritage, would presumably be predisposed towards science. What he says to get elected, of course...
     
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    The Democrats had the WH, House and Senate for two years and still couldn't get the climate change tax passed. Americans are very very concerned with climate change -- until they are asked to pay for it. Telling.

    I'm surprised the libs continue to even talk about global warming after all of the IPCC models have been dead wrong and all of the scandals within the global warming movement. What a filthy group.
     
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    you have a problem w/ public schools?
     
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    This is an admission of fear from the Romney campaign. You don’t make a risky pick like Paul Ryan if you think the fundamentals favor your candidate. You make a risky pick like Paul Ryan if you think the fundamentals don’t favor your candidate. And, right now, the numbers don’t look good for Romney: Obama leads in the Real Clear Politics average of polls by more than four percentage points — his largest lead since April.

    Ezra Klein, Washington Post

    Ezra Klein kills it!
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    Actually, Obama's approval rating is at 43% right now -- the lowest of his term. Romney leads in the Rasmussen poll (most accurate from 2008). Romney is leading in states won by Obama in 2008, such as Indiana (+16!) and Iowa. Romney is competitive in WI, MI, PA, three must wins for Obama.

    Picking Ryan is bold and tells the media that Romney will confront their bias head-on. Ryan has been attacked mercilessly ever since he had the courage to put forth a plan (Obama had no such courage). The granny-off-the-cliff antics from the left didn't work too well in 2010, now did it? What makes you think it will work this year?

    The_Conquistador is JUBILANT over this pick, as are fiscally conservative independents across this nation.
     
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    I hate to disagree with you here Jorge and lord knows I don't mean to change the subject. But three major national polls (we won't count the FOX poll) in the last week show Mr Obama breaking 50% on approval and leading nationally in the campaign by at least 7 points on average. You might want to check your sources on your numbers and get back to us.
     
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    So it's Obama vs Ryan 2012 now?
     
  17. MrRoboto

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    what could possibly go wrong?
     
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    by the way, Mitt is going to be the best thing to happen to Saturday Night Live in a long time before this is all over.
     
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    No one will ever top Palin...:grin:
     
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