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Rolling Stone: "The Worst President in History?"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Apr 19, 2006.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    Is it really too much to ask for you to address ANY of the substance of the article?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Are you completely deranged? This article had pages and pages of serious, logical, fact-based substance and you are trying to slough it off?

    You need a serious reality check.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    As are executive compensation and the overall wealth of the top .1%. However, the median family has seen their incomes shrink over the past three years and the tax cuts ahve not made up the gap.

    The economy is certainly "booming" for the incredibly wealthy, but for the rest of us, the economy is stagnant at best.
     
  4. Rockets2K

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    man, it must be tough to comeup with a good rebuttal to an article when your lips are tack-welded to Dubya's backside.

    Enjoy being in the minority guys...will you still be his steadfast defenders when his approval slips into the 20s?

    Cause if Dubya cant see that he needs to find a fallguy to take the blame for his policies and continues to rule by the seat of his pants....it WILL happen.
     
  5. No Worries

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    You know how to cut a guy deep ;)
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    I love how you act like what you typed here is true. The fact is, it couldn't be further from the truth. Your silly rebuttal stats had an absurd timeframe of reference, not to mention the fact that you failed to normalize for things such as immigration of poor people to the country and the other influx of low-wage folks into the workforce. Median income measurements fail to account for these factors, among others. Your opinion, andymoon, is also a biased one as an IT professional which is an increasingly dying profession in the US due to folks in low-wage countries who can do the same work on the cheap. Andy, to quote the Holy Beejster himself, the next time you "refute me" will truly be the first.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yeah, you are an authority on things like the "truth." :rolleyes:

    Really? I used the same timeframe that your stats used. I did that purposely in order to have an apples-to-apples comparison.

    So, we didn't have poor people immigrating into the US in the years before Bush took office and the median income started to fall?

    If you say so. :rolleyes:

    The point I was making in that thread (a point which you ignored) was that even though the average weekly wage has risen, the median family is doing worse and worse. One of the biggest reasons for that disparity is because the rich are seeing their income skyrocket while the rest of us take pay cuts or see no increase at all, which is exactly like a pay cut when you factor in inflation.

    I may be biased against Bush, but my analysis stands while your attempt falls flat on its face.

    So, my opinion is invalid because I work in IT now? I am a degreed professional who took plenty of upper level courses in economics and finance as part of my business degree. In addition, I maintained a 3.86 GPA while working 40 hours a week and raising two children. I would venture a guess that your GPA was not or is not even close.

    You don't even seem to have the ability to comprehend the written word.

    Where exactly was this "analysis" in the thread we are referencing? As soon as I pointed out the shortcomings in using weekly income as a measure of how the average American is doing (BTW, using facts drawn from the same site you used, among others), you did your t_j impression and disappeared. Now that I mention it more than a month later, you want to debate?

    No, you just want to claim that you won that debate without actually having to refute the valid and still standing points that I made.

    I, a man who happens to work in a "dying profession," could out-debate you on just about any topic at any time.

    To quote the man whose rectum you seem to love the taste of...

    Bring it on.
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    "Normalize"=skew data to support your point, regardless of the truth.

    Sucks to be you Ashlee, pimping for the worst President in American History.

    A very lonely job indeed.

    :p :D
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    Bush's dingleberries taste like caviar to Ashlee!

    MWAH!

    :D
     
  10. mc mark

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    Even Faux News can't save Jr anymore!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192468,00.html

    04/20/06

    FOX Poll: Gloomy Economic Views; Bush Approval at New Low

    President Bush’s approval hits a record low of 33 percent this week, clearly damaged by sinking support among Republicans.

    President Bush’s job approval rating slipped this week and stands at a new low of 33 percent approve, down from 36 percent two weeks ago and 39 percent in mid-March. A year ago this time, 47 percent approved and two years ago 50 percent approved (April 2004).
     
  11. SamFisher

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    most Americans rate the current economy negatively, and twice as many say it feels like the economy is getting worse rather than better

    But wait a second, bigtexxx always tells us that GDP growth is a wonderful benchmark and that it is indicative of GWB's signature achievement - managing the global economy and overriding the business cycle - but then he also tells us that income inequality doesn't matter because his taxes are lower (though considering he just started working a year ago, I'm not really sure what he's using as his basis for a comparison)

    Does this mean that inequal income distribution matters? :confused: people aren't happy when Bill Gates walks into the room and raises their average income by standing there?
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Ahh Sammity, are you using an opinion poll as proof of the economy's status? I would guess that wouldn't be considered strong evidence in a court of law, to put things in your terms....and when you get a minute please explain to me the concept of "inequal" income distribution. That's a new one!

    Bottom line is that you liberals refuse to open your eyes to reality. A robust economy and low unemployment are right under your noses, but your blinders are preventing you from accepting that, because in your minds that is tantamount to saying that Bush has done something correct. That, my friends, is truly beyond your comprehension.
     
  13. No Worries

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    Bottom line is that you liberals refuse to open your eyes to reality. A robust economy and low unemployment are right under your noses

    Are you like calling 2/3 of Americans liberals?

    Cool.
     
  14. mc mark

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    You should tell that to your republican friends who voted in the poll.

    a Hindenburgian 33% approval
     
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    Li'l t is having his ass handed to him in a debate on economics by a dope smoking hippy (sorry Andy, I mean formerly dope smoking hippy).

    That is pretty funny.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    pfft. hardly. I'll give andy this: he's confident and resilient in his wrong ways. He really thinks he's on to something, but can't fully put together a coherent rebuttal. Oh well, he does spend a good bit of time on it, so I'll give him credit for that.

    by the way andy - if the same rich folks are getting richer, that doesn't affect median income. I'm not going to lecture you on 3rd grade mathematics, but let me just say that you may want to revisit the definition of "median".
     
  17. basso

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    last poll i saw that mattered sent the democratic candidate home with his french tail between his legs. call me when something changes.
     
  18. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    I'm an independent and voted for Bush the first time.

    I voted for him a second time because I felt like we had to finish what he foolishly started in Iraq.

    I'm still making the same money I was in 1999 and everything costs twice as much.

    Bush is the worst president in my life time by far.

    I don't see how anyone could defend him or his actions.

    Illegal wiretaps. Invading Iraq for WMD's. Looking to Nuke Iran.

    Impeach the man now and save the world.
     
  19. mc mark

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    That's really all you have left isn't it?

    good luck with that
     
  20. gifford1967

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    Pretending that Bush's gutter level poll #s have no effect on how he or the Republican Congress governs just makes you look really ridiculous.
     

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