You bet! God gives us purvey over our "temple" and if we destroy it, we will answer to Him. God gives you no authority to make women answer to you.
wait, holy crap... I'm getting the sense that biblical passages can be interpretted in multiple, sometimes conflicting ways! Ahhhhh! head... exploding...
So then wouldn't it behoove us (at least those of us that are Christian) to warn women as to their impending destruction by God if they have an abortion? Shouldn't we as God fearing people advise our fellow God fearing people of this travesty they are about to commit upon the "temple"? As Christians, isn't it our responsibility to serve mankind and warn them of this?
there's a ton of truth to that...don't throw stones from glasshouses, etc. but ultimately, if we truly believe this is recklessness with human life...then it goes beyond merely self-examination...recklessness with human life is criminal.
Again, you bet! If you feel the need to warn women that they might face repercussions after this life is over (or even as they live this life if you believe in karma, as I do) then have at it. Warn everyone you like, but don't try to BAN abortion as this is taking Gods authority for your own. He will punish people that He thinks are wicked. It is up to Him, not you!
<b>andymoon</b>: What could I say about your wife's pregnancy that would offend or anger you? This is a real question. You may not want to go there... I didn't. It revulsed me to even hypothetically type some of the things that I could think of which would not bode well for her pregnancy but should have been just A-OK according to your testimony here since it's not a life. Your argument doesn't pass the Smell Test.
but we do collectively force our morality on people through criminal law all the freaking time, andy. you're missing the point entirely. if it is a separate being...if it is a separate individual that is growing inside the mother...then it's not merely a choice..it's a person. it's not merely a two-person decision between God and the mother...there is a child involved, too. that's like saying that the choice of whether or not i want to murder my friend is only between me and God...that's just not so. my point is merely that if we don't know whether it's living or not...but we believe it's possible it is a human life...then we're playing loose and fast with human life when we say it can be extinguished at the mother's whim.
ok...ready to dismantle every law enforcement group in the nation, andy? your arguments when taken to their logical extremes fall down like a house of cards.
Once it is a "life," it is criminal and we already have laws to cover that. If God had not meant for us to be able to abort a fetus, he would have made it more difficult or would have made us much less intelligent. God doesn't make mistakes, or so many religious types would have you believe.
You would have to work very hard to offend me. First, you would have to get to know me, earn my trust, and become a friend. Then, you would have to set out with the express purpose of offending me. You can't tell me much about the things which could go wrong as my wife is both paranoid and internet savvy, so I have heard just about every horror story out there. I have an abiding faith that I will be able to handle anything that God puts in my path, no matter the difficulty.
if god had not meant for us to have wars he would have made us too stupid to invent firearms if god had not meant for us to target civilian populations in hiroshima or nagasaki, he would never have made us smart enough to come up with the atom bomb. free will's a b****, andy. again...you're making the definitions for when it's life and when it isn't. if you back away from the bold position that you know the secrets of life the rest of us haven't figured out...then you realize that no one knows for sure when it's actually "life." and if we don't know, then it's reckless to adopt a policy that says, "Ok...you can terminate that thing that might be human life." and that in any other walk of life, if you played that loose and fast with human life you'd be doing jail time.
So what, it is wrong to prosecute the Enron crew... or any of those really clever white collar criminals?
That's not my point. My point is that I could just wish things upon you and your wife which would make your blood bail and make you want to strangle me in defense of your own defenseless little one-- you know, the one that's not a human being! I'm not talking just talking about a tragedy, I'm talking about your very real and deep feelings attached to that "non-being" that I could (but won't) wish ill-will upon. Why that response if it's just a piece of meat? That is the truth exposed. All this being said, I wish nothing but a speedy and healthy pregnancy for your wife and a robust little one in the near future!
If, if, if. We force the morality of not negatively impacting other people, and rightly so. You are basing all of your arguments on a HUGE assumption that simply cannot be made based on the evidence. Yes, it is. IF there is a child involved, God will punish the woman Himself and does not need our help. If you murder your friend, you have killed a person who is not a part of someone else's body. You have harmed someone and you should go to jail or be put to death yourself. These consequences are in ADDITION to the ones you will face when you get in front of God. It is a POTENTIAL human life that is still a part of her body (tapped in to her circulatory system). If it can survive without the mother (not without HELP, but without the MOTHER), it is a life.
Until just a century ago or less, a newborn was still absolutely reliant upon its mother's biosystem for nutrition through nursing. Would you say that it would have been okay to kill those newborns because of their dependence upon the mother? No fair overburdening the wet-nurses!
You would get that response because my wife PLANS to bring this fetus to term and bear it. A woman who has decided to have an abortion does not have such attitudes and as such, is not subject to the same emotional response. My intent is what creates that response. To me, it is still a POTENTIAL life.
we've argued in circles...i can't make my points any stronger than i have...i'm not that smart have a good day.
No, they weren't dependant as your last sentance tells. Wet nurses have been present for centuries and babies do not DIE if they don't get breast milk. My biggest point is that there are BIGGER injustices that y'all COULD do something about. Why don't you go on a crusade to save all the children that ARE born into this world and then killed because they are female (common practice in China)?
So, since millions have been affected by AIDS, does that mean God doesn't "want" us to find a cure? God "wants" us to have cancer, ALS and other diseases ravage our bodies since we have yet to find cures? God "wants" war and WMD because we have invented them? God "wants" poor and destitute? God "wants" women to be raped and children to starve? That doesn't sound like the Christian God, I know. I suspect it doesn't sound like the Islamic, Hindu or Buddhist Gods either.
