"Roe" wants abortion case reversed

Doesn't like 40 states, including Texas, have a "Baby Moses" law, where the government will assume financial support of a child till 18 years old?

 

Even if they do, they are ridiculously limited. I am anti-abortionm by the way. But my solution would not make most happy, as it would involve actually taking care of unwanted babies.

 

Why do you insist that this is the case? To paint people that don't agree with you as evil? The minority of pro-life people that condone this are wrong and hypocritical. The majority of pro-life people do NOT condone these bombings.

Andy, what do you think of partial-birth abortions? Also, if your wife miscarried, are you saying you wouldn't be upset since it is just a mass of cells?

 

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Reasonable enforcement is a great reason on how to base laws. Alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs are prime examples of this. How many serial killers are there compared to the number of women that have abortions? Let's say 300,000 women still have abortions if made illegal. Do you propose to lock them all up? Or perhaps you could just use gas chambers.

Do you even personally know a woman that has had an abortion? Have you ever listened compassionately, without judgement, to her and felt her pain? I have, and that changed everything.

 

Isn't that "pain" usually the direct result of having that abortion? Is that what we are supposed to endorse?

On the other hand, have you ever talked inquisitively and listened compassionately to a woman who has backed away from an abortion, carried the child to term, and raised it in triumph over adverse conditions?

 

Who is endorsing it? The pain isn't just about the abortion but the suffering that leads to it. The abortion is really just an extenstion of that suffering. I just don't see making abortion illegal solving that problem, and I don't want to turn the women into criminals. You can have legal abortion and low abortion rates. To me education, understanding and forgiveness are the only means of truly dealing with this. We should focus on the roots of the problem.

Didn't answer the question. And yeah, I know a bunch and it is great. I know a woman who's doctor told her that her unborn child might have serious heatlh problems and gave her the option of abortion. She flatly refused. That woman is my mother. But each woman's situation is unique, and I try not to judge.

 

So it is the availability of abortions that is causing most of the suffering? Simple. Make them not available. Don't think about the killing. That will live with you for the rest of your life-- not to mention the medical risks associated with the procedure.

If you don't want to be a parent, give the child up for adoption. Your worries are over in less than nine months.

 

You are only conserving "life" by defining it the most liberal way possible, even though there is no (and cannot be any) absolute proof of what you think of as a life. Common sense would be to leave other people's lives and decisions up to them and God. Nobody else has the right to be part of such a HUGE decision, most especially the government.

 

Great! They can provide these services to the women who choose to take them up on the offer.

You are the one talking down to people by saying that YOU know better than THEM. You are the one who treats women like children who are not capable of reaching a decision by consulting the people they love (including their God), examining the evidence and options, and looking for a solution that fits THEIR needs.

 

No, I paint people who bomb buildings with innocent people inside as evil terrorists. Whether you are bombing because you are anti-abortion or because you are anti-Israel or anti-American is immaterial. Bombers are terrorists and should be dealt with as such.

Good, it is nice to see that some of you draw a reasonable line for acceptable behavior. I wish all of y'all could.

As I have said, if it can survive without relying on the biological processes of the mother, it is a life. At that point, it is much less acceptable to me unless there are medical reasons.

Of course I would be upset because my wife and I PLANNED this pregnancy. It is (and always has been) our intention to bring this child to term, bear it, and raise it the best way we know how. This STILL does not give me the right to go to my neighbor (if she were planning to have an abortion) and tell her not to. My wife made her decision and my neighbor would have to make hers. Again, it is between the woman and God.

 

Certainly there is pain associated with having an abortion, but that is only the surface of the pain a woman must face. We are not "endorsing" anything, we are allowing a woman to make a decision, as is her right.

Sure, many. Again, it still does not mean this is the right choice for everyone. Have you ever met anyone who has had an abortion (for whatever the reason), moved forward in life and then settled down and had kids? Most women who have abortions do NOT move to "the dark side" as you have. They get over it and move on with their lives.

 

God would not have made it so easy to abort a fetus if He didn't want us to be able to. How do YOU know what God's plan is?

Please post one of these mythical "advertisements" as I have never seen a billboard, TV commercial, newspaper ad, magazine ad, or listing in the classifieds for abortion clinics. BTW, Planned Parenthood doesn't count as they do MUCH more than just abortion.

It was a decision that she reached with God and then dealt with the consequences. So, it is OK for your wife to have had a choice, but every other woman should be FORCED to do what YOU say because of your wife's experience.

Do what I say, not what I do, I guess.

Her misery is not a reason to take away the rights of other women any more than the misery of someone who accidentally shoots someone should create a firearm prohibition. YOUR misery should not impact MY rights.

 

No, most of the suffering is caused by people like you doing things like shouting "baby killer" outside the clinics or worse yet, bombing them.

In case you hadn't heard, prohibiting things does not make them "not available." Abortion will still be available, except the medical risks are GREATLY amplified because there is a medical procedure being performed outside the purvey of licensed medical practitioners.

This is the perfect option for those who CHOOSE to take that path.

 

Has anyone here said that it's acceptable for people to bomb abortion clinics? Your argument makes it sound like it is widely accepted in the pro-life community to do this. Please don't do that, because I think it's pretty lame to try to discredit an opposing argument by saying a few psychos stand for the entire group. Since we agree that bombing clinics is wrong and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, I don't think there's anything to argue here.

So if a baby was taken out of the mother, but the umbilical cord was still attached, then the baby could be killed? So if the baby is old enough to be able to survive outside of the mother in a hospital surrounding, then at that point is it a life?

Ah, I see. So intention of the mother is what defines life. A mother who does not intend to raise a child could then kill it at age 5 (or any arbitrary age that the mother says 'it's no life')? Do you remember the high school girl that had the child at her prom (in the bathroom) and then dumped it in the garbage? Do you think that woman should not have been prosecuted? If so, then at what age would you draw your line?

 

You can find a lot of clinics advertising at www.abortion.bz. Here is an article about web sites advertising abortion clinics:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/abortionroe.html