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Rocky Mountain News July 3 :Houston offers brent barry 4 year 24 million deal

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by alain076, Jul 3, 2004.

  1. reptilexcq

    reptilexcq Member

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    Maybe the Rox don't need Fisher afterall since they can play Brent Barry at the PG position and have Lue backing him up.

    Then we can use the TE to get a big man to support Yao.

    But it will be awesome if we can bet Fisher and Barry and have enough to get a big man.
     
  2. Sane

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    - Assumption #1: Nobody would want Pike. This is your judgement. I think PLENTY of teams would want Pike @ less than 3M. Just for the sake of argument, try to think of 10 players in the same class as Pike in terms of ability/role.

    - Assumption #2: Pike sucked so Barry will suck. If Pike can't score, he's useless. If Barry can't score, he can still run the point, rebound, run the fastbreak, etc... If Pike hadn't played for us last season, I would pay him just under 3M easily.

    - Assumption #3: it takes time for Arroyo to develop his PG skills. You mean like Steve Francis? he's been in the league for a few seasons, and started most of last year. He's good, but if the Jazz don't match, then he's most likely not worth what we offer. He is the prototypical Jazz system player.

    - Assumption #4: Parker will be erratic for a few years, it's part of the learning curve. So what? Each person's lurning curve is different. Some people don't improve at all (ahem ahem SF3) in terms of PG skills, while others begin to excel with age, like Brent Barry.

    - When Barry's 35 he will be in his final year. If he can run up anddown the court, he's tradeable. Hell, Terrell Brandon couldn't run but the Wolves got a nice trade for him. It's ridiculous to say that his shooting and passing will deteriote at all, much less to the point where we can't trade him in his final year.
     
  3. HoRockets

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    I'm just curious since they mention in the article that there were considerations for Jamal Crawford at one point. What is the price for Crawford going for right now and would he be a good fit for the Rockets if he were attainable? The big plus about him is that he's only in his fifth year and is a big and athletic PG. The bad is that he likes a lot of shots. But he did he pour in 50 points against Toronto last April. Just don't know.
     
  4. aaaccchhhooo

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    if they do get him...i'll go shoot myself. ..5 years barry be what?....37? ...come on now...aroyo or fisher would have been better :mad:
     
  5. DieHard Rocket

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    As much as I like Barry, I really don't think he should be our long-term solution at PG. There is no way he's going to be able to hold the quicker guys in the league, like Tony Parker or Steve Nash...especially 3 or 4 years from now.

    I'd love to have him at SG, moving Mcgrady to SF, but doesn't this deal use up all of the MLE? That means all we get is a minimum PG, and that probably means Charlie Ward. I'd rather have Lue getting big minutes than Ward, so at least when Lue is in the game we can push the tempo a little bit. That probably won't happen with a Van Gundy team though. Let's hope they know what they're doing here. Unless we can trade Mo or Spoon, this contract really ties the Rockets up for a while.
     
  6. hooroo

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    crawford is far better player than hinrich but he gets no love from the bulls. pretty much the same deal barry has been allegedly offered, would be what is needed to sign crawford.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    By the way - why not get Charlie Ward anyway!? I think he is better than Fisher.

    Get Barry and Ward; and get Skinner. I'll be happy.
     
  8. Jack Hammer

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    MCM you spoke as intelligently as any surgeon or DOC ever could have hoped to in reference to the players our team could use. I wholeheartedly agree that Brent Barry is the answer at PG, albeit I love Carlos Arroyo's game. I believe Barry's size and outside shooting would complement and augment Yao's game by not allowing the opposing team's backcourt to collapse on Yao for easy steals. Barry and Tracy will definitely keep them honest.

    As far as the Etan Thomas reference. Thats very astute of you to bring up. I love his game and what is even more befuddling to me, is the fact that as monstrous as his rebounding and tenacity is, it's not parleyed into market value with him. He rebounds more than Mo Taylor, in roughly 3 minutes less played per game. Even more incredible is that Etan shoots at a higher field goal percentage while playing for the pathetic Wizards. Excellent observation MCM.
     
  9. Drexlerfan22

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    That's kinda like saying he passes more than Yinka Dare.
     
  10. Harrisment

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    Charlie Ward better than Fisher??? So good that he only managed to average 2.6 minutes per game for the Spurs in the playoffs. I'm not saying Fischer is great, but he's a heck of a lot better than Charlie freaking Ward.
     
  11. HoRockets

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    If the price tag is the same, I'd say try and sign Crawford.

    Yao Ming 23
    J Crawfor 24
    T-Mac 25

    That would be a great trio for many years to come.
     
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    Why are people so upset about the length of the contract? First of all, it's not like the Rockets won't be looking for other point guards, and second, 4 years isn't that long. I'm not that high on Derek Fisher. I would love the Rockets to get him, but I'd take Barry over Fisher. And Arroyo might be good, but he's really only had one very good year. How many times have people gotten on the Rockets for throwing money at a guy after one good year?
     
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    If Jamal Crawford can be had for what we are offering Brent Barry, I'd get Jamal Crawford in a heartbeat!!! He's got size (6'5"), athleticism, plays good D. This guy is a stud!
     
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    Ya, by his 4th year he would probably be coming off the bench and we'd have a new PG. I don't like Arroyo for that same reason, only one good year. Not worth the risk of a long-term deal.
     
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    You are a very eloquent writer!! Impressive.
     
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    Yuck
    Yuck
    Yuck

    If we are gonna get a younger PG, we need to trade with Chicago for Hinrich. Take one or two of their bad contracts for Hinrich. Send them the TE, MoT, Boki, etc. whatever.

    Ming
    TMac
    Hinrich

    Now, there's a trio.

    Once again, no Crawford please.
     
  17. micah1j

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    No Crawford please. He is exactly what we don't need. A shoot first PG.
     
  18. HoRockets

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    The problem here is that Bulls like Hinrich as their future guy. Crawford is at competition for that role and would more likely be the guy Bulls are willing to trade. A Crawford trade would be more realistic.
     
  19. jopatmc

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    Crawford ain't gonna come here and play team ball, he won't defer to Yao and TMac. He thinks he is a superstar. He needs to go to the Knicks so that franchise will be doomed for another 7 years while him and Marbury fights over who gets the inbounds pass.
     
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    I think I misunderstood what you're saying, but to clarify, Barry has been very, very good the last five years with Seattle. His "point" numbers weren't great a few years ago with Gary Payton running the show, but since then he's played very well.

    As for Arroyo, you have to start somewhere, don't you? Did you expect him to put up big numbers when Utah had Stockton running the point for his first two years? I just like Carlos. He's tough and a little bit cocky. I'm not sure if he's the shooter we need, but he's a good player.

    8.6 assists per 48 minutes
    3.7 turnovers per 48 minutes

    (NOTE: Steve Francis averaged 3.7 turnovers per game... He did play 41mpg though.)

    Not bad.
     

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