Rocky Mountain News July 3 :Houston offers brent barry 4 year 24 million deal

come on man . . THIS IS BRENT FRICKING BARRY
TITAN OF THE THREE POINTER
DICTATOR OF THE DIME

HE CAN DO NO WRONG!!!!

Brent is suppose to be the savior of this franchise
doncha know

Rocket River

 

I wasn't really sure what to think about this...but now I'm pretty optimistic after reading Gater and lancet's posts...I hope we get him!!! It would be great! I do think that the Rockets can contend next season though...hopefully. I think I'm going to buy season tickets.

Brent's 32..but so are Spoon and Pike..and Griffin..all around the same age.

I'm all for it! Hopefully it works out. I really like how he can play like 3 positions..

 

better to get an early verbal agreement to barry. So that we can concentrate next on finding a big man before its too late..

 

I'm sold. Jeff Hornacek could still shoot lights out when he was a dinosaur. Like Vescey Sux said, against quicker guards we have Lue. We also addressed depth at the 2 and 3. BB, T-Mac and JJ will be great at those spots. If BB loses a step at the 1 as years go by, we can simply move him to the 2.

I just checked out BB's stats and this guy's shooting % is amazing. 50% and 45% 3 point shooting last year? On a big-manless Seattle team? This guy is not 3 point specialist like Steve Kerr who in some years shoot 3s better than 2s. He is a nice all around markman who can get his own shots. Guys like that don't come often. Imagine how he is gonna shoot when T-Mac and Yao are doubled. If we get Barry, watch out the west!

 

There is no point in worrying about salary cap. Unless something terrible happens, the Rockets are going to be over the cap for a long to come.

 

I understand what you are trying to say...Barry and Fish are prototypical player for their positions...

Barry is really a SG with very good PG skills.
Fish is really a PG with very good SG skills.

Barry is a creative passer, although because he's evolved into a spot up shooter, he really doesn't get to "show case" his passing skill very much. But he does have this. Maybe this will change in Houston.

Fish is not a creative passer. His strength is a spot up shooter and D.

I'm glad we are trying to get a PG for size (Barry). That within itself is a form of defense. Although, Barry is not a quick as Fish, his size alone will give us an advantage at the PG position in terms of match-ups. Fish isn't getting any faster (age). Barry isn't getting younger either, but you can't teach height.

Lets look again at what we are getting with Barry...

Barry is really a SG with very good PG skills (good shooting, good PG skills, average defense, big PG/SG)
Fish is really a PG with very good SG skills (good shooting, average PG skills, good defense, small PG/SG).

Fish is not getting quicker. So, his defense will be slowing down each year. So, I'm not sure that his so-called defense will be enough to over-come any benefits that Barry's height would give us. His height is a nice advantage to have.

I also think that both Fish and Barry would be used mainly as SETUP PGs for the post entry pass to Yao or to setup McGRady for pick and rolls. I don't really envision any ISO plays run for Fish or Barry. So, if most of the time we are to use our PGs as setup (entry pass) PGs. Then, why not give the job to Barry. He's long and tall and can see over a lot of defenders. This would be great for sending the ball into Yao.

Another thing is that Barry, McGrady, JJ can run the floor. And those guys would be GREAT on the FAST-BREAK. Think about it.

And that's a part of the game that we've been missing for a long time.

 

Can we give Barry 12.5% raises or only 10% since he is not our free agent?

 

Don't too envious when your 17.7/7.7 franchise player Pau Gazol is only marginally better than our 17/7 third or fourth option Juwan Howard.

Yeah you guys have depth, but depth mean nothing when there is no gritty Piston players. Utter collapse in team morale in the playoffs, does that ring a bell?

Well, at least you can still make playoffs. So enjoy catching up from behind when we get Barry.

 

Here I was dissing Barry because of his defense. That's a good lineup, but i wouldn't include Yao if the imposing team has a quick lineup.

Lue
Barry
T-Mac
Taylor
Howard

 

chill on MemphisX. He is a good poster, and an intelligent bball fan. His team is good and does have depth, they just need a go to guy. Oh and btw, they have Jerry West as a GM. So if you don't think they will eventually get their premier player, you are crazy.

And Memphis, many of us here loved Posey and wanted to keep him, but it put us over the cap. If there were any way we could have worked it, we would have kept him. He is the epitome of a VanGundy player. The one thing that softened the blow, was the pickup of Jim Jackson. He was fantatstic for us. I could only imagine having them both.

Now, we have a chance to bring someone in who fits the team perfectly. What's more is that we don't have to worry about the salary implications like we did with Posey last year. And if Memphis didn't have the depth it already did, I bet West would be all over Barry.

Bring Barry in. Signed, Sealed and Delivered.

 

If Barry's shooting doesn't leave him for the next 3-4 years, I can live with the deal. We will make a run for the championship if Yao and Tmac live up to expectation, Barry and JJ play smart team defense and shoot well, and our PF play active defense and some offense.

Barry seems to be fairly smart, and IQ stays a bit longer than physical ability. At least he won't walk into backcourt traps and he has the length to pass the ball to Yao.

All these are still rumors, I think.

 

Barry is exactly the type of player JVG is looking for. Someone that can shoot from outside with consistently...someone that play fundamental basket and not turnover...smart and can play defense.

I just wonder if we still can get FIsher after Barry. Do we still have the $$ to go for another guy.

 

We're going to have to start getting serious about a backup center pretty soon. I don't think people are placing enough importance on that position.

 

He is all right, but he needs to tune down that "you guys are the new Mavs with great offense and no defense" crazy talk. A team with Jeff Van Gundy, Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady will never be like the Mavs. Other than that I'm fine. Regarding Jerry West acquiring a premier player, well, any GM in the league can acquire a go to player if they are willing to break the bank. The question remains how much they're gonna give up and how soon can it come.

 

that can be done through trade later on. None of the big guys on FA market is looking for backup kind of money. We just unloaded a backup C with starter pay, we don't need another one.

 

memphis x and the nation of islam

a deadly combo.

 

Oh yeah, 32 is WAY past the age of 30.

 

To bad we can't have smothering defense like Memphis has huh?

 

The people on LA radio have been saying the last few days that the Rockets and Lakers might be getting ready to do a deal, the Rockets TE for Derek Fisher. I guess it would be part of the trade exception, and someone was saying Lue might be part of the deal. As for MemphisX comments about the Rockets being the next "Mavs". Jimmy Jackson and Yao Ming aren't exactly defensive liabilities. Neither would Derek Fisher. And we know that McGrady can be a big time defender when motivated, and he's definitely going to be motivated.

 

That's IT?

That's what everyone's worried about?

Like I said, he's tradeable in his final season. Just like Wesley Person who made around 6M last season.

Brent Barry on the Sonics is definitely not worth that money. But Brent Barry on the Rockets is worth that, simply because he'd make a much bigger impact due to having a big man inside and a dominant perimeter player.

He's not a full tie PG, but all he needs to do is bring it up. Once he brings it up and either passes it in or gives it to T-Mac, then I'd much rather have Barry who can catch-n-shoot as well as slash to the basket. Eric Snow brings the ball up, passes it... and then? Barry would make everyone pay.


Defensively, how much worse than Francis is Barry?

Yao - Same
Howard or Mo - not close to Cato, definitely lose defense here
JJ - same
T-Mac - Will be be better than Cat.
Barry - Not worse than Francis, let's say it's a wash

So basically, will the improvement at the SG position make up for lsoing Cato at the 4? Probably not. But that's very very slightly worse than last year. The difference? We're a MUCH better scoring team. Our PF tandem scores more, Yao is the same, T-Mac and Barry easily score more than Francis and Mobley, and JJ is the same.

The improvment on offense far outweighs the loss of defense (WHAT THE HELL IS THE OPPOSITE OF IMPROVEMENT???).

Get it done. Follow it up by getting Keon Clark, and let's go to war.