Plato: You're kidding, right?? I'm not Carrol Dawson, but IMHO, I doubt even a package of Cato+9thpick+Drew would come close to landing Odom. Guys, when we think of Lamar Odom, think of Steve Francis. What would you trade Steve Francis for? I'm guessing hardly anything, and I'll bet the Clippers feel the same way about Odom. Stone Cold Hakeem: We certainly would be paying Rashard based on potential, but isn't that pretty much how it works in the current-NBA? We're talking about a 6'10, 20 year old small forward here who has no major flaws in his game, can run the floor well, shoot the ball (shot a whopping 47% from deep in the playoffs), and nearly doubled his scoring average from the regular season to the playoffs. He's already shown he plays well off of a dominant point guard, and thrives in the open floor game, hitting the 3 in transition. Also, when you have a mold of player that is in demand, you are able to risk signing them to that big contract. This is why the Rockets can live with signing Cato to roughly $6million a year...because Kelvin Cato is in demand. A 6'10, young, athletic shot-blocker, though underacheiving, is what every team wants. Teams will trade for him because he is one of a dyeing breed in the NBA, and even though he has not performed up to par, they will acquire him based on his potential. Same with Rashard Lewis. We can live with $4million a year for Rashard. A 6'10, 20 year old small forward who can shoot the hell out of the ball, I would believe would be high in demand, trade-wise. Sign him up. This is a chance I take each and every time. ------------------ "I don't care how tall the guy is, trade his ass!" [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited May 17, 2000).]
You're absolutely right cabbage, odom:LAC::francis:Rox, so odom is untouchable. This get me thinking though, i wonder what the business plan of the LAC is like. i don't know if they have had any threats of leaving LA, but assuming they are making money, it seems that they really don't want to win. they can survive as a business getting good draft picks for a couple of years who leave when their rookie contracts are up. people in LA say that they go to clips games only to see the other team anyway. i guess the idea is to get a decent crowd and stay way under the salary cap. the draft a flashy player and keep him for a couple of years method seems sufficient to sustain this model. anyway, not sure this has a bearing on anything, just some thoughts i've been having. ------------------
Your right, and it may even be more. Just a quick confusing point, you say you want to take the risk on Rashard Lewis based on his potential, but why are you so for trading Cato who also has lots of potential in a dying breed of big men? ------------------ Check out the new and improved Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited May 17, 2000).]
Because I'm willing to take the risk that Rashard Lewis actually has the heart and decency to put forth some effort, and earn his contract, unlike Cato. ------------------ "I don't care how tall the guy is, trade his ass!"
I would still be looking at Vancover a lot closer if I were ya'll. Who would do: Cato + #9 for Big Country + #1(or#2,#3) Cheers. ------------------ "Let me get this straight .... we pay him $4.5 million dollars a year to play 82 games right? And, the other guy we pay $6 or $7 Million a year to stop the other team from scoring and maybe to score once in a while too!" ......... Popeye's darling sweetpea attempting to figure out WizBang and CaveInTo's role on the Rockets.
Boy does that same type of deal involving Olowokandi look so much better Because of that obscene contract of Plump Country's, a Cato-Reeves swap is ridiculously in favor of Vancouver. But a #1 for a #9 pick is even more lopsided (obviously) in favor of Houston. Personally I don't know if I do it -- it kills our cap for several years... but would be nice to come away with Martin or Swift. thacabbage -- Interesting you mentioned the Suns need for Cato and today that shows up in the Arizona paper... I think asking them to give up Shawn Marion is too much from their end but there could be interest there. If the Rockets need to move up in the draft and the only way to do that is part with Cato... then has to be a three-way to get the Suns involved. Nolen -- I wasn't saying something is going to happen in the next thirty days ... that was just a random number I pulled off the top of my head. I just know who Doc Rocket is and I know he knows what he's talking about -- I don't know if he'll post that much but lets just say he's not exactly "plugged in"... he's more like the outlet As for the player I originally spoke of, I will say he's been mentioned in this thread a few times. Again, nothing to get overly excited about but it's interesting. I just know there is interest on both sides... and I know for a fact on the Rockets' side. Does not mean anything will ultimately happen though ... ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
I don't post much....well, hardly ever...but this: Work-out, schmurk-out - " I'm going to work out this summer and get big and strong and develop a jump hook and this and that and this and that......" sounds like kandi man...
If we land Martin or Swift in that trade, all Reeves has to do is pass, rebound and hit the open 15-20 ft'r like Longley. Martin/Swift will anchor the defense. This trade is about Cato and #9 for Martin/Swift. That's all. Make it happen!!! If we have to eat Reeves in the deal, so be it! At least he's a big body with good hands.
Well, here's the list of who was mentioned a "few times" (3 or more)in this thread: Austin Croshere 7 Rashard Lewis 5 Olowakandi 5 Danny Fortson 5 Swift 5 Theo Ratliff 4 Bo Outlaw 4 Brian Grant 4 Marcus Camby 4 Lamar Odom 4 Everyone else was mentioned 2 or less times. So he's got to be one of these guys. ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
Sherlock- thank God you did that. I really didn't want to wade through all this for clues. Every single player on that list is someone to get overly excited about, in my opinion, with the exeptions of Fortson and Croshere. Clutch- thanks. As you can tell by Sherlock's research, we are all taking any clue we can get and running with it. We are starving for offseason action! lol. HP- I think you greatly underestimate the mighty weight of Reeve's contract. I would only do that deal unless I was absolutely completely certain that Martin or Swift would be superstar PFs, and there's never guarantees with that. Once we take Reeves, no superstar free agents for a long time.
Further deductions from Clutch's hints: Clutches hints:<OL> [*] Rudy is very excited to get this guy to Houston. [*] not overly exciting, but a pretty good young player. [*] interest on both sides [*] The Cat's question: "Can you tell us whether this guy is on a lottery team or a playoff team?" Clutch's answer: "Why do you think I can't say anything?" (I'm assuming that means playoff team.) [*] Clutch's source talked freely about the draft and Mike Miller, so it isn't a draft player. [*] Clutch freely spoke of Kandi, Reeves, Martin, Swift, so it probably isn't one of those.[/list=a] The Players mentioned a few times: Austin Croshere (7): Fits all criteria Rashard Lewis (5): Fits all criteria, except maybe #2 Olowakandi (5): violates #4 and #6 Danny Fortson (5): probably violates #4 Swift (5): violates #5 and #6 Theo Ratliff (4): Fit all criteria on 5/11 when posted Bo Outlaw (4): Fits all criteria Brian Grant (4): Violates #2 Marcus Camby (4): Fits all but maybe #2 Lamar Odom (4): Violates #2 and #4 So that narrows it down probably to: <OL> Austin Croshere Bo Outlaw Theo Ratliff and maybe Camby, Lewis, and Fortson.[/list=a] We're getting warmer ... ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
Sherlock -- only one wrong assumption that I see -- that Rudy was very excited to get this player to town. I have to reiterate again: I do not know if the player Rudy was referring to and the one I am talking about is the same player. I'm thinking there is a good chance it is the same player but I do not know that. THAT is pure speculation on my part. Other than that not bad research. Just don't assume "a few times" means 3 or more. Doesn't mean he wasn't named 3 times or more though. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Go on Clutch, tell them its Glenn Robinson ------------------ You just want to be on the side thats winning.
Well, now that Clutch has upped the ante on possible loose definition of "few", here's who was mentioned twice: Tim Thomas: fits all criteria Al Harrington: fits all criteria Jerome Williams: fits all criteria Kenyon Martin: violates #6 Oliver Miller: violates #4 ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know... [This message has been edited by Sherlock (edited May 20, 2000).]
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Rocketman, you're right about Outlaw violating #4. I wasn't absolutely sure that Clutch meant that until he confirmed it in his last post. Good sleuthing, but that also means Fortson is out. so now that leaves: Austin Croshere or Jerome Williams possibly: (mentioned twice) Tim Thomas or Al Harrington and maybe: (probably violates #2) Rashard Lewis, Theo Ratliff or Marcus Camby. ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know... [This message has been edited by Sherlock (edited May 20, 2000).]
GrumWorm: For the record: I never stated the Vancover swap od Cato/Reeves and #9/#1 was anything but a hypothetical question. I was merely wondering if faced with that decision, would ya'll pull the trigger on it? Have some fun: Read My "Hypothetical Trades" Topic
