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Rockets...we have a problem --> PG

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Da Wink, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. hooroo

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    trade james, sura, howard, and wesley for antonio davis and kirk hinrich.
     
  2. hoopstar

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    wow...
    so guys, the plan is to somehow get paxon fired and get the bulls drunk enough to hire hooroo as their GM. Get r done!
     
  3. themocitydon

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    raefer alston would be a great addition for the rockets. he is a true ny point guard, but can still run an offense without messing things up. i actually would'nt mind trading wesley for him. the rockets could actullay land this guy since raefer hates babcock and sam mitchell so much. the only problem is his contract. i heard the raptors gave skip to my lou their life savings for him. :confused:
     
  4. tmac4prez

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    But on the defensive side, Wesley couldn't keep up with those small guards like Boykins, and Terry. Lord knows we dont want Terry running around our guards again.
     
  5. CriscoKidd

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    There is no huge problem at pg. We have enough competent athletes that can play pg. Head, DA, MJ, Sura(when/if healthy), and even Wesley are all WAY better than the crap we've had to endure in recent years(mooch, strickland, mark jackson).

    Could we try to shore it up more? sure. Could we try to trade for a more solid guy? Sure. But for now, we are fine for the regular season.

    If the playoffs come around and Sura isn't healthy, another key player gets injured, and/or one of the rotation busts, THEN, we are in trouble.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I think we have agreed to sign Jay Williams. But I think we need to wait to announce it until we will have moved or cut a few more players.

    Think about it - all reports said he worked out for/had interest from three teams - Miami, Houston, Toronto. Toronto's GM says he decided to play for another team. Miami just signed Payton. He came back to Houston for a second visit.

    I'd almost be willing to bet money on it.

    Unless there is suddenly some other mystery team in the mix, I think we will get Jay Williams.
     
  7. RocketsFAN3035

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    I could not possibly agree more....
     
  8. krocket

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    Have any us even seen JWill play in the last month? If so, please post your scouting report. It may be that nobody wanted him and his baggage for a good reason. Please discuss if you have seen him play. We all have opinions, but is there any substance to those opinions or are they just smoke?
     
  9. krocket

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    We were not all that solid last year IIRC and we haven't done much to alleviate the situation except subtract our starting PG for 3 months. How can you say there is no huge problem?

    Maybe we can let TMac play point forward and use two shooting guards like the Bulls used to do with Pippen. That might make more sense than pretending we have a PG.
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    My post was pure speculation, of course. Sorry if you did not understand this.
     
  11. krocket

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    No offense, but I understood it immediately since your bio says you live in Germany. Everything on this thread seems to speculation since I have found no one that has actually seen him play. That includes several threads about him. I don't mean to single you out. Too many teams turned him down for me not to be suspicious of him. PG's of the quality he was supposed to be are so hard to come by, even teams with good PG's would have been all over him.
     
  12. CriscoKidd

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    Ugh. The reason we weren't solid last year is because both of the guys that were slotted to share pg duties were injured(Ward, Sura). Once we got Sura back, we were solid. Once Sura got injured again we weren't. Once we traded for MJ, we were. We don't need a pg to "run the offense" on this team. All we need is a pg that can do all these things adequately:

    - bring the ball up to halfcourt
    - limit TOs
    - keep d assignment in front of him
    - hit the 3

    Sura, MJ, DA, Wesley can do that and more. Head should be able to do that.

    TMac already plays point forward and even if the rocks bring in JKidd, that ain't changing.

    Is the pg position the strongest on the team? Hell no. Would our pg rotation work for other teams in the league? Not for most, no. Are our pgs a liability on the team? No.

    But like I said, if other bad breaks go our way, then it will be time to worry. If Sura doesn't get healthy for the playoffs, it is time to worry(unless someone else steps up big time, which is certainly possible).

    Where did you get that Sura was gone for 3 months anyway?
     
  13. rimbaud

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    Players added since our PG troubles last season:
    Wesley (people forget he started his NBA career as a point)
    James
    Head
    Anderson
    Moochie (this is obviously a joke)

    None are "pure" points, but neither is Sura. Wesley and Anderson are high assist two's and James is a solid ballhandler, if not great passer/creator. Head is an unknown but he played point all of his life until Deron Williams forced him to adjust.
     
  14. IC2000

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    I've tried to tell yall sura is out unitl late december
     
  15. krocket

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    TMac wouldn't even let MJ bring the ball up the court. Poppycock.

    You were paying attention.

    From several threads on this board.

    I kinda, sorta meant at the end of season which uncluded all of the above additions and the subtraction of Sura. But, thanks for agreeing except for MJ. I would classify him as only acceptable, but maybe they are inadequate for a team going for gold.
     
  16. rimbaud

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    I have no idea what this means.
     
  17. krocket

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    Our PG troubles ran right through the playoffs. I mean none of our PG's are qualified to be the starting PG on a championship team. There are less than a handful in the league. MJ and Sura are marginal backups. I haven't seen DA play PG, but he is not famous for it. I hope this clears it up for you.

    I don't mean it personal. Just a difference of opinion.
     
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  18. CriscoKidd

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    I think it's a random incoherent jump to conclusions generator.

    move along, nothing to see here.
     
  19. m_cable

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    You mean PGs like Derek Fisher, B.J. Armstrong, Ron Harper, or Avery Johnson. Or maybe Chauncey "good player but still a combo guard" Billups, or Tony "I wilt under pressure" Parker. I don't see how the team of Sura/James is so much worse than these guys (assuming Sura is healthy of course).

    We would have beaten Dallas (and probably Phoenix too because Deke and Yao would have shut them down) if ANY of the following occured:

    1. We had a halfway decent PF who we could stick on Dirk so that T-mac could guard one of their swingmen.

    2. We had a taller option at SG who Stackhouse couldn't have posted up as easily.

    3. Sura wasn't playing hurt (or Wesley for that matter, since supposedly his knee was making his shot off).

    Well we checked off #1 and #2. Number 3 is still a concern. But we can always pick up a role playing PG at the deadline if we need to.

    Our PG situation isn't a big worry, YET. And that's the key word. If we come out like gangbusters and DA, James, Head and company are getting the job done at the point, then we roll with our team and allow Sura to get eased back into the rotation. If we struggle and need to make a change then we can make a move. Simple as that.
     
  20. rimbaud

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    Was John Paxon a championship caliber PG? What about Ron Harper (Bulls)? What about Ron Harper (Lakers)? What about Kenny Smith? What about Avery Johnson? Derek Fisher? What about a mentally fragile Tony Parker?

    With McGrady and Yao Ming, why do we need a top point? Further, how could we afford a top point? Less than a handful and we have to have one?

    EDIT: damn you, m_cable! You win. :)
     

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