You don't have 30 point outburst or avg. 20 ppg. in some seasons just being a shooter....Cassell outside of Hakeem and Clyde was probably the only rocket able to create his own shot.....Harper was a good defender, but I've seen Travis Best torch him so I think Sam could do the same, especially given the green light to "shoot, shoot, shoot," the ball more.............so I ask you again did you actually WATCH the '95 team play?
Now I KNOW YOU DIDN'T watch the Rockets. dude, in 1995 Sam Cassell SPLIT TIME with Kenny Smith! that's why he AVERAGED 11.0 points. did you not get blasted by all the Cassell stats?? When Cassell was a starter in the Eastern Conference he was WHIPPING EVERYBODY. Yes DESTROYING RON HARPER. This ALREADY HAPPENED. 3/14/1997 Sam Cassell NJN 28 Ron Harper CHI 3 3/29/1997 Sam Cassell NJN 29 Ron Harper CHI 3 11/8/1997 Sam Cassell NJN 19 Ron Harper CHI 14 12/20/1997 Sam Cassell NJN 15 Ron Harper CHI 19 1/23/1998 Sam Cassell NJN 12 Ron Harper CHI 10 3/16/1998 Sam Cassell NJN 6 Ron Harper CHI 11 1/12/2000 Sam Cassell MIL 24 Ron Harper LAL 16 1/28/2000 Sam Cassell MIL 18 Ron Harper LAL 5 12/12/2000 Sam Cassell MIL 25 Ron Harper LAL 10
thats right. I doubt cassell will get 11.0 points, because i'm using stats of the sophomore sam cassell against a veteran harper, not the one reaching its prime against that old geezer. Yes 1 year do makes a difference, just look at D.Williams.
YES!!!!!!, just the final game, that was the game that got me hook up with dream and the rox team. I cant remember how sam plays, from what i can look from highlights and such, about sam, thats all he does, shoots. Hey i admit, i do not know how well did sam cassell did until this debate. But by using stats from what i CAN see, this is the verdict that i came out with. Harper can defend the sophomore cassell. And going back, i see rodman owning the boards, while horry get lower than the 10+ points and 7 rebounds he get during that playoff.
Great point. You know the question if PIPPEN can create his own shot? that was answered when the Rockets got him and paid him $14 million/year. or will Pippen take the last shot to win the game? Alvin, this is for you pal!! Paper: Houston Chronicle Date: MON 05/10/1999 Section: Sports Page: 1 Edition: 3 STAR Pippen should point at no one but self By FRAN BLINEBURY Staff INGLEWOOD, Calif. - M is for the many things he gave them. O means only that it's growing old. T is for the tears shed over this one. H is for a heart that's rarely bold. E is for an error big as Texas. R is for the rest of a season's excuses. Put them together for the occasion, and they spell the mother of all turnovers by Scottie Pippen on a day when the Rockets once more turned poise into an orphan. So you wanted more touches, Scottie? Maybe next time you won't dribble the ball in the clutch with a pair of ham hands. So you want to be the man who shows the way to the top? Maybe next time somebody can show you the way to Glen Rice and ask you to guard him. Pippen was given $14 million a year to bring the veteran leadership of six championship campaigns, and in his first playoff game with the Rockets, he came up positively small down the stretch. Tiny, teeny, minuscule. With 7.6 seconds left in the game and the Rockets holding a one-point lead, the player who wants the ball in his hands dribbled into traffic in the lane and could not find a way to get it to Charles Barkley. Coming up small After an entire game in which Barkley toyed with LA defenders in the low post to score 25 points, and in a fourth quarter when Barkley devoured Robert Horry and J.R. Reid for an even dozen, Pippen ran straight at Kobe Bryant and dribbled himself right into the hardwood floor at the Great Western Forum. He claimed he tripped or slipped or something. But the truth is he looked just like Duke's Trajan Langdon giving up the ball in the last seconds of the NCAA title game. This was a time when the clutch performers make the critical plays to hold on to victory, and there instead was Pippen letting it slip out of his grasp like a wet bar of soap. "It's something that's been going on with us all season long, and it's been costly to us in a lot of games," Pippen said. "We make mistakes, we make costly turnovers, and it kills us in the end." He made the mistake. He made the turnover on the kind of play that it was believed would bring out the best of Pippen. But it found him looking no better than Cuttino Mobley, who misread a pick play with Sam Mack and tossed away a pass with 1:17 to play. Mobley is a rookie second-round draft pick. Pippen is the guy with all the rings. The question is why the ball was even in the hands of Pippen, rather than the top free-throw shooters, Mack and Mobley, in that situation. And the answer is that he demands it. The question is why - after the Lakers took advantage of his turnover and a very questionable call against Mack that allowed Bryant to make the two free throws to take the lead - Mobley, and not Pippen, their savior, was asked to attack the basket in the last five seconds on the final play. "I think I suggested that to the coach during the timeout," Pippen said. "I thought it was a play that could work." So the Rockets paid $67 million to hear Scottie say: "Give it to the rookie." Another question is why, in the aftermath of the loss, Pippen chose to shift the blame to Barkley for intentionally fouling O'Neal on a defensive rebound with 28 seconds to play and the Rockets up 100-98. "I don't think that foul we gave Shaq was a very smart play," Pippen said. "We should have made them come down and work to score. We gave them the opportunity, and he got a split (of the two free throws) and put us in a position where we had to score. We just put our backs to the wall." Can hardly blame Barkley Never mind that the hack-a-Shaq philosophy had served the Rockets well throughout the day as O'Neal went just 5-for-14 from the foul line. "Yeah, our plan was to foul Shaq," Pippen said. "But you'd have thought that somebody might have told somebody that you don't want to do that with a two-point lead and 28 seconds left." Never mind that Barkley played like a warrior all game long, battling for 10 rebounds and even playing ferociously on defense while giving up nearly a foot in height to Shaq during one stretch of the fourth quarter when big men Hakeem Olajuwon and Antoine Carr were in foul trouble. So much for team loyalty, friends and comrades in arms. There is always room to question strategy after the fact. But you don't do it by making public accusations. "I'm not going back and forth with that," Barkley said. "We had that game, and we gave them a gift." Much the way Pippen spent most of the first half giving Rice the gift of wide-open spaces in which to operate, letting him drill seven of nine shots for 20 of his 29 points that put the Rockets in a hole. "I don't think he'll shoot like that again," Pippen said. Not if somebody puts a hand in his face rather than using it to point fingers and make excuses that even a mother wouldn't love.
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Yeah, this is Robert Horry. dunking, blocking shots, getting boards, hitting 3s. Yes Alvin, that's Horry dunking on Karl malone, dunking on Ewing, blocking HORACE GRANT. <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0c4ITFX4PCo"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0c4ITFX4PCo" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> Sam with the bucks dropping 33 points in the PLAYOFFS with SORE RIBS <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wWVDE6QkKFM"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wWVDE6QkKFM" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> Sam says it himself "I'M DA HERO" <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PTX67oKzjUA"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PTX67oKzjUA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
haha, nice one. But i do not see any problem with barkley, or rookie or not enough touches. So you made your joke, you made your arguments. So lets try this 1 more time, using the 95 rox team without hakeem, playing against the bulls of 96 without jordan, who would win? Please keep in mind that its the 95 rox team, not the one that have a 2004 all-star sam cassell, not the one with big shot bob, not the one with clyde that goes 1-on-1 with jordan, not the one with hakeem in the middle, but the one with a 6"3 rookie that is showing a whole lot of promise, the one with robert horry who scores more than 10points per game, the one with clyde getting 22 points and 9 rebounds, the one with kenny smith who shoots 3s and not talk, the one with maxwell not yet ended up in jail, the one where elie still can walk the talk. playing against a very old bulls team without jordan, a bull team that have a baby sitter for rodman, a bulls team who have the european jordan(kukoc) only in his 3rd season, a bulls team that got a PG that do not shoot, do not attack the rim, do not start and run the offense, a 3p shooter that have even less handles than head, but the same bulls that still have 2 players in the defensive team of the year, the 6th man of the year, the leading rebounder, the 3p shooting stars champ, and along with jordan was voted as 1 of the best team ever in the NBA. just give an answer, a simple yes or no, i have enough of this debate and i realized that if i cant convince you that I like kukoc better than sam, i have not much chance of convincing you.
Dude, Big Shot Rob STARTED IN HOUSTON. you think that was a FAKE Robert Horry in those highlights with the Rockets? I didn't hire ILM to create a Jar-Jar- Binks-Horry, That was really him in 95, dunking, blocking, hits game winners. It didn't start in LA. What Rookie are we talking about in 1995?
fine, if you find it so important, sophomore. Please keep in mind that its the 95 rox team, not the one that have a 2004 all-star sam cassell, not the one with big shot bob, not the one with clyde that goes 1-on-1 with jordan, not the one with hakeem in the middle, but the one with a 6"3 sophomore that is showing a whole lot of promise, there, you feel better?
i think i may get it wrong, but i remember somewhere, someone says he got that big shot rob during his lakers days. Not during his Rox days, i'm trying to find confirmation of where and when the nick-name originated, but until i do, or someone can show me in writing, lets leave this "big shot rob" aside, he is still known as robert horry.
Once again. Horry became Big Shot with HOUSTON. ( meaning that's how his reputation started as a clutch shooter) Clyde went 1-on-1 with the Jordan BEFORE HE WAS WITH THE ROCKETS. Promise? You mean the guy who's finished NBA playoff games and NBA final games? <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6ixyMQX9_wo"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6ixyMQX9_wo" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
who'd they lose to? who was that dude on that other team who played like a HERO? <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RY06eaFaplw"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RY06eaFaplw" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
I got someone who remember the same thing, Sorry, just 1 last question, i went everywhere and i cant find the answer. When did Robert Horry gain the nick name Big Shot Rob? [During his time with the Lakers. Can't recall a specific game. Maybe the shot that beat Sacramento at Staples. --Fran] argh, i just cant find the report to prove this. Anyway, dont you think, that a player would get a nickname of "big shot" after just 1 shot in 1 high profile game? Its him all right, but he only gain his notorious reputation of showing up when it matters and might just be there about when its not. that comment about clyde, he was a one man show, he could take over a game and just win it, but during those few years at rox, he shows it few and far between, he scores his points, he won games for rox, but he was not the same person who lead Portland to 2 finals, he is after all getting old. Anyway, no point argueing, you just sees the way YOU like it, yes a sophomore who just won his 2nd ring, playing a main part IS showing promises to be good,very good, but how good? That is a talent who are promising, as he have yet to reach a level where he consistently plays at it.
dude, do they read where you are from? Big Shot = his reputation as a big game player. When you say "not the Big Shot Rob" you are IMPLYING that the 1995 WAS NOT A BIG GAME PLAYER. Since when were we arguing about nicknames? Hey Alvin, you know in the 80s there was some dude name AKEEM right? you know what happened to him? "few Years as a Rocket?" I thought you were arguing the 1995 team? QUIT CHANGING YOUR STORY around. 1. You already ADMITTED to have NOT WATCHED the Rockets in the glory days, yet you still throw down FECES all over this thread about them. Clyde couldn't take over a game??? what the 1995 Drexler??? 2. You probably made Pocket Rockets quit arguing with you. When you keep putting FALSE STATS and ASSUMPTIONS in your replies. 3. Showing promise=That's what some does in practice or a few games, CONTIBUTING TO CHAMPIONSHIPS is completely different According to you, MAGIC JOHNSON showed promised his rookie year. ok, give me some more fake stats and assumptions. I've got the Cassell getting clamped down by Ron Harper, Cassell and Horry were rookies in 1995, We've got Kukoc dropping 20pts for an average (yeah dont try to fool us by that it was for 18 games crap). We've got your assumption that you were along time Rockets fan, when you said you only watched one game of the finals.
1)Yes, show and tell me how many times clyde won the game for the rox team when we are losing. All i can remember, is hakeem putting superhuman effort on quite a few fourth quarters. Not clyde. 2)Yeah, the only false assumption and stats is that i have said kukoc average over 20 points, which i admit i was wrong about it. 3)Yes, proving your status is done over a few seasons, not over 1-2 seasons. 4)Big Shot Rob gains this nickname for showing consistanly being able to make the big shots over a FEW seasons, not for being that athletic PF that plays for rox, i'm not saying he do not made clutch plays for rox, i'm just saying he is not that veteran that thrive when the game is on the line. 5)Cassell and horry are in their 2nd and 3rd of their career, they are not rookies in term of NBA terminology, but they are still raw in their game. Rookies= beginner. Thats why i called them rookies. You may be a superstar scoring 50 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assist, 5 blocks and 5 steals. But you are still a rookie in those years. I understand if you want to say rookie is only for players in their first year, while sophomore are in their 2nd year, and by their 3rd years they are term as veterans. No problem with that, but they are still just starting their career. 6) about that word promising again. Yes go find news clippings if you want, Go look up for tony parker. He was in the winning team for spurs but he was just a promising player at 2001 when he played for 30 mins as the "starting" pg.
For a Rockets fan, you surely remember more about the BULLS than any other team. Strange how you remember how awesome Toni Kukoc was, but yet had no idea how Drexler, Horry or Cassell played. Strange how you don't remember the Utah series at all. Maybe I'll let Pocket Rockets have all the fun of answering your questions.
