I disagree. He has worked with all sorts of headcases and won. He had them in Portland and in Sacramento. Jerome Kersey, Ron Artest, Bonzi.....just to name a few. Kevin Duckworth wasn't exactly what you call mentally stable either.
Since this is an Anthony Randolph thread, I'm hesitant to post this here. However, since Memphis is thinking about letting O.J. Mayo go, wouldn't it be great if we could engineer a 3-way trade with the Knicks and Memphis so that we could acquire both Randolph and Mayo. Jeffries and Battier are expiring contracts that could be dealt to accomplish the deed. Mayo would be the perfect blend of Brooks and Lowry while being tall, quick and strong enough to combat the Rose / Wall / Williams / Paul kinds of PGs. Mayo / Lowry Martin / Lee Randolph / Budinger Scola / Hill / Patterson Yao / Miller / Hayes Ish / Taylor to the D-League
Good point, he has that in NY with Amare but I don't see his attitude getting any better if he continues to ride the bench. I guess you can understand it, he's young, impatient, blessed with some physical gifts and like a lot of people wants it now not later.
Bima, I think he's a 3/4 type. I think he can play well in between martin and scola. Is he a 3pt shooter? No, but neither was horry till he got here. To me, he has the range and form to be an effective 3pt shooter,but more importantly,he is good at short dribble pull up and has very good feet laterally. He handles the ball from the triple threat better than smith and ak. Offensively, he should be able to be very effective inside the arc,running the offense and defensively play to his length. Having martin and brooks in the backcourt, you kinda need a long,rangy player at the 3 or 4. If you have Yao still in future plans, you really need those kind of guys at the 3/4 spot.
What we all don't know is that DM and Walsh are lovers. It should explain why Walsh keeps bending over backwards and taking it from DM, right?? Obviously DM is the man in this continuous relationship :grin:
Ahhhh, the triple threat position. Who represents the most trouble if you are a defender or a defense and you are facing one of them from the triple threat position.... 1. Anthony Randolph 2. Luis Scola 3. Jordan Hill 4. Shane Battier 5. Chase Budinger
Could we get some clarification from one of the rules experts? What's the least we can give NY that would allow them to flip their 2011 pick to Denver? It seems like right now we are holding their 2011 pick hostage for a potential swap, but that the odds are against us doing the swap because we will probably have a worse record (especially if the Knicks acquire a pick somewhere else and the Melo trade goes through without our help). So if we simply "release the hostage", but still keep the Knicks' 2012 pick, can the Knicks then trade their 2011 pick to Denver? This would be a deal after July 1, 2010, so it technically wouldn't be trading their pick in the same year. Or do we have to "release the hold" on the 2011 pick AND give back the 2012 pick, for NY to be able to trade the 2011 pick to Denver? Or give back the 2012 pick to NY, which would allow the Knicks to trade their 2011 pick subject to our right to swap with Denver for that pick if the Knicks end up with a worse record than us?
Once Yao got injured these are the players we hear the Rockets are interested in: Varejao (surfaced during the Melo rumors) Randolph (surfaced now) Bosh (surfaced in the offseason) Gibson (surfaced during the McGrady trade) Looks like they are looking for long term pieces at the 4/5. All of these guys are atleast competent defensively, unlike Scola, and I don't have a scouting report in front of me but I bet all of these guys are terrific elbow jump shooters and good passers. Looks to me like they might move Scola to the five and find another guy who can initiate the high post offense. I highly doubt they are bringing him here to play the 3.
I am a little tired of his fans hyping and blowing up his stats, throwing out these wild numbers. This kid has had a brief up and down career and in year 2 avg'd 11 pts in 22 minutes but people blow that up to his 36min numbers but don't mention it. The kid is a project pure and simple, if he helps to win the Rox a ring it will be 2013 at the earliest and you have to play him and live with the results like Wall in DC, Gay in Memphis etc.
My guess in reading this is that we have to give back the 2012 pick to NY for them to be able to trade their 2011 pick to Denver: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74 Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years. The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years. These rules often combine to make trade terms very complicated. For example, if a team owes another team two future first round picks, and both picks are protected, then the first pick would be conveyed in the first draft in which it is not a Protected Pick (as described above), and the second pick would be conveyed in the "First Allowable Draft" (per the Stepien rule) or subsequent draft, in which that pick is not a Protected Pick. But since both picks must be conveyed within seven years, the protection on the first pick cannot last more than four years (i.e., the first pick must be conveyed by the fifth year). Other rules that pertain to trading draft picks: * Any or all teams in a trade may be granted the one-time option to defer the conveyance or receipt of a pick for one year (only). For example, a trade between Miami and Orlando that includes Miami's 2009 first round draft pick might provide Miami with the option to defer the pick to 2010. In addition: o A team can exercise a pick deferment only once. o The conveyance of a pick can be deferred for only one year. o A Protected Pick (as described above) cannot be deferred. o The deferment is subject to the Seven Year Rule. A pick in the seventh year following a trade cannot be deferred. * Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years. * A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 79).
I was all for AR in the beginning, but since we have a losing record and Knicks actually winning, i'm all for tank mode and draft somebody better. But the draft is rather weak this year. So bring in AR. I don't think we are worst then the 10th pick and i think they'll turn it around eventually. When the dust settles and smoke clears i think we'll be sitting on the 14th-15th pick. So Randolph would actually be a steal imo. I think he has that potential. And i like the idea od having AR/Hill for the future. They need long/length out there and this is what he brings with his game.
Why would you not do this trade...... We give them back a draft pick that isn't even going to be a good one for a high lottery talented young player, something that we don't have and won't be able to get unless we do this trade. There is no harm in doing this trade. This accomplishes everything we want in getting younger and more athletic.
Here's what I see in the bigger picture. 1. Unless CA is willing to agree to an extension with them, there is absolutely NO WAY that the Nets move Favors for him. So, if CA is insistent in going to NY, then NJ does not have the assets to bring him in, even for a rental because Denver can get more from NY or from us on a rental. New Jersey is out of it unless Anthony wants to go there and stay there. I don't believe he wants New Jersey, especially after seeing how New York is starting off with the Amare/Felton combination working positively. 2. NY needs us to get Carmelo there if indeed Anthony is set on going to the Knicks. That means Morey is once again in prime position to take advantage of the Knicks going forward. And this is precisely why Morey is offering to trade for Carmelo without an extension. Morey knows we are the team with the greatest package of talent to offer Denver for Melo. Walsh is simply trying to figure out how to get a possible lottery pick to throw at Denver along with Galinari/Chandler to get Denver to give them Melo. Morey's let it be known that he would consider swapping a pick for AR. That sets the bar for every other team in the league and specifically in the West. If somebody else is going to trade for AR, they are going to have to be able to offer the Knicks/Nuggets a better pick selection than we can. Who is out there that can do that? The teams that are lottery bound are not going to give up their lottery picks for AR, that's for sure. Perhaps NJ, if they see they cannot get Melo, would settle for giving NY GS's lottery pick for AR, but I kinda highly doubt that will happen. San Antonio? They're off to a 19-3 start. Their pick is bottom of the first round for sure. So, really AR's value is defined by what is realistically available. I don't think there is a lottery team willing to give up a pick for him. So, the best that the Knicks/Nuggets can get for AR is a mid to late round pick and use the team records to determine which team gives them the best shot at the highest possible position. The deeper question I am asking right now is does NY have enough to get Denver to trade CA if they indeed get a first round pick that looks to be mid to late first round. They can throw an expiring plus Galinari plus the pick plus I assume Wilson Chandler. That's realistically the best NY can throw at them plus maybe a first round pick in 2014 or something like that. Does Galinari, Wilson Chandler, a pick in 2011 or 2012 that is mid first round at best plus a pick in 2014 that is likely to be bottom of the first round be enough to get Denver to unload CA to NY. And if that is enough, then can we do better in a rent-a-Carmelo scenario. We've got the equivalent picks. So, could we do better than an expiring and Galinari/Chandler???????
If we're going for a guy like Anthony Rnandolph, we might as well keep the discussions going with Sac to acquire Demarcus Cousins. They're both headcases, but Demarcus Cousins has height (could be our future center) and tons of raw offensive moves. If we go for Randolph, then the only position he could play is 3. We're stacked at the 4, with two developing talents (Hill and PP). We might as well keep pushing for Cousins, perhaps package Brooks, Bud and a pick for him. We could have ourselves a future frontcourt of Hill and Cousins with PP off the bench.
It's impossible, but if we would have Cousins, Pat and Hill on the team, Demarcus and Patrick would definetely start, cause their did it in Kentucky and they looked pretty complement, and Hill would come of the bench and playing two spots (PF and C), but there is no way it gonna happened, especially with Randolph in the lineup
