I think Randolph is worth a late 1st round pick, which is what the Knicks' 2012 1st round pick is likely to be. Let's be honest, Randolph will not fill a position of need for us, but he will fill a skill-set need, and that is shot-blocking. The kid is a natural shot-blocker. I once saw him block 8 shots in a game. I love tall, athletic ball players with long arms. That's what Randolph is. He can average 3 blocks over 36 minutes and there's not many players in this league that can do that. I don't think he's a center and I don't think he's a 3. His natural NBA position is the 4, and he will grow into that position more comfortably as he gets older and puts more weight on. With Scola, Patterson, Hayes, and Hill already on the roster, acquiring Randolph would be the precursor to another move, but i have always thought that worrying about need when you are essentially rebuilding is putting the cart before the horse. We need to acquire as much young talent as possible and then use that to make our team better, whether via trade or developing those players with the highest upside.
I think Dantoni knows his players very well... Look at Hill, he hated him and now he rots on the Rockets bench even though we are in desperate need for a big...
I have a feeling that's exactly what we'll do. I won't be mad at all. I'd like to get Thabeet and Mayo personally. I'll take Thabeet, Mayo, Randolph, and Nene. Any combination thereof works as well.
First of all, even with Melo, that 2012 Knicks pick will still likely be no worse than in the 20-23 range. That's not "crap" to me. Melo's offense added to an already potent offense isn't going to immediately catapult NY to a top seed in the East. Second, it is very rare that a team will trade a future pick with such limited (top-5) protection. The fact remains: YOU NEVER KNOW. A couple a poorly-timed injuries, there's no way to tell for sure that the 2011-12 New York Knicks don't end up in the lottery. Unlikely, but not impossible. Morey is reluctant to trade these types of picks. My guess is that Morey only trades that pick this season for a star player or next season when it's more clear that the pick won't be in the lottery.
He made a foolish mistake coming out 3 years before his rookie deal is up and stating he is going to ask for $10 mill/year extension when he hadn't proven anything. He was unduly penalized for that mistake. And he's got an attitude problem. But all the same, he's got special skills and if he grows out of his childishness, he will be a really special player. He needs a father figure, not another prison warden.
sounds like a future t-will thread trade a 1st rounder for Randolph and watch him rot on the bench and start up a "free randolph group on twitter"
Lol and that's the current problem with the Rockets lineup, we need a player who is special in ANY system because when shot clock is low, when defense is tight, when we have no timeouts to get a play set up... we need a player to go to that can score at all. Kobe, Melo, a healthy Roy, D Williams, CP3, Amare (doesn't need Nash clearly), LBJ, AI, D Wade, etc.... What's the similarity? They don't need a system to be special, which is why they are just that... special. If you need a system to be special, then you're a role player IMO, maybe just one with a great skillset. (I think Amare got his name off that list and put into a list of special players this year). Bring me a real special player and acquire Randolph to bring in a third team to package a better deal. If you bring in Randolph alone I will be disappointed. Kid is talented, but we have future talent with an attitude problem and we just got him from the NY/NJ area too.
i meant "crap" relative to what he hoped it would be worth. you got it right though, when you said you never know. but since we are discussing the topic we might as well take an opinion and see if the future proves us right or not. the exact effect of melo's addition to the knicks can't be known yet, but it won't hurt their record more than the draft pick they gave us. i see the pick declining in value the closer we get to melo joining the knicks. i would advocate selling that asset before its stock drops. of course you still have to get good value for it. is randolph good value? im not sure, but i do think he would be better than the average late first round pick do to his age, size, athleticism, and potential. however, maybe we will be able to package that pick with our pick to move up in the draft and snag a better player. either way, i wouldn't hold onto this pick long enough to actually use it, as it will most likely be another late first round pick that won't be able to break our rotation.
Don't you need a pretty good bball iq to play in this offense? Ive always thought he was a complete bonehead like apparently*ahem...t.williams
Obviously no where but we cant completely judge that since our main player is always injured and im one of the people who believe we need a star.i was just responding to the poster who said randolph would be special in this offense.
If only that pick had that kind of value. Right now, I'd value it as slightly above Jordan Hill in our asset pecking order.
I've said this many times, Randolph is a larry nance type of 3/4 guy. He handles the ball well enough to play the 3. He handles the ball,moves his feet, and shoots better off the dribble better than horry. He has game changing ability. If you can get that kind of high ceiling talent, i think u do it. Maybe battier and lee for turiaf and randolph.
Leeb, Anthony Randolph is a four. Stop making him into this 3; he's most effective at the four spot. He has a decent handle, but it would be below-average for a perimeter player. He's also not quick enough laterally to keep up with guards on the perimeter, though he can use his length to help make up ground. I think you're trying to make him into Lamar Odom and he's just not that refined. Randolph is at his best, IMO, when he's in the four position. His shotblocking skills are closer to the rim when he's playing PF, which is what we REALLY need out of him. Also, it gives him a big mismatch offensively -- he's quicker than most PFs, so he could easily get by his man. Playing on the perimeter negates this quickness advantage. Also, for his career, 15% behind the three-point line. We don't need to give him any more reasons to float around the arc. Play him at the four and take advantage of the mismatches he can create at that spot.
Spot on LTF. On Bima's point earlier I agree that you never know what the Knicks' pick will be, and that it could turn out to be valuable. But I also think that there's a high likelihood that Melo ends up there. And even if he doesn't, i actually think DiAntoni is a good enough coach that at worst the Knicks go 500. So you basically have to ask yourself, is Randolph worth a mid, 1st round pick? And more likely, is Randolph worth a pick in the 20's. I happen to believe he is, as long as he keeps his head on straight and we have a coaching staff that's willing to develop him. If we truly are rebuilding, then we will seriously have to consider trading Scola. Patterson and Randolph could both develop into really good players if given the opportunity.
