The pick could be used to get Carmelo. Randolph is going to be a role-player at most. That's not worth a future pick.
I swear people in this forum are disagreeing on every single trade. People are saying "it's not worth it." Seriously is the trade really "not worth it?" The Knicks are a playoff team now, are you even sure the draft pick has any value now? If is was a New Jersey Nets or a Timberwolves pick then, yes it does have value. But since it is a playoff team Knicks draft pick then no. And isn't a big man a player which the Rockets are craving right now? I mean cmon in order to get something you must give up something right, that's the name of the game and if you're sitting in the corner twiddling your thumbs, I'm sure you will be getting nowhere.
The Timberwolves every year get 5618975826562098576328579283 draft picks, I'm sure 5618975826562098576328579283 draft picks are worth more than 1 measly pick that we have. "But we have assets that we can trade with our pick," no Daryl is not going to strip the team for a 1/2 a year rental. "But Carmelo might change his mind and stay," no, seriously would you rather stay at Houston stripped of good players or go to the Knicks with a superstar player. You choose.
ok, well we are very prepared for a melo exit in the summer anyways. besides, how does minnesota's draft picks affect this in any way?
Ok, in that case, if the Melo thing really wasn't an option, I'd be okay with Randolph. But it really seems to me that 2012 pick from New York can net us something better. Randolph just seems like he doesn't have a very good head to become consistently productive in this league. He may turn out to be good, but I just don't feel it with Anthony Randolph. I'd rather have Toney Douglas if I really had to choose based on productivity.
The 2012 pick is going to most likely be in the 20s. They'll be in the playoffs. Keeping the pick and hoping for injuries to take them down isn't good strategy. The leverage we have with the picks is the fact that it is preventing NY from making a good offer for Melo to Denver. My thought is that Morey is holding out to either get Melo himself and if that isn't possible, then the next best option would be to let NY out of the 2011 obligation and give them their own 2011 pick back, in other words, do away with the option on their pick for 2011, in exchange for AR. If Morey can't convince Denver and Melo to trade here, and Melo makes it clear by the trade deadline that it is NY or bust and he is willing to sign there as a true free agent and give up money to go there, then Denver has a choice, move him to NY for something of value or let him go for nothing. It comes down to a game of chicken between Melo and Denver. Of course, it is in our best interest to help Melo get to NY if he isn't coming here and get him there at max salary plus raises to cost the Knicks the most amount of money and help jam up their salary cap going forward. In that scenario, if we could help make the deal happen by unwinding our 2011 pick option for Randolph and a future 2nd rounder or possibly first rounder, then that is a no-brainer deal, since our pick is likely to be higher than the Knicks pick anyways.
Yes, in an ideal world your idea would be great. However, the 2011 pick-swap option is as good as absolutely nothing right now(we are very unlikely to make the playoffs, and if we do it'll probably be an 7th or 8th seed a most which is around the 18th pick. New York, if they make the playoffs, would get a pick around the same range. I do not see any incentive for New York to give us Randolph just because to move up 1 or 2 spots, and even that is not certain. New York already has deals in place to trade Anthony Randolph for a first rounder. As outlined in the Chad Ford chat yesterday, Minnesota, Portland and Indiana are looking into Randolph and showing good offers. I do not think Morey would beat those teams in terms of presenting a good offer NY likes. So now the 2011 pick-swap negation option is out of the picture, I think the 20's is still a safer bet than Randolph. I just got a feeling Randolph is either boom or bust, in the Gerald Green/Julian Wright mold. He doesn't have a single skill that stands out like shooting or rebounding, and that is what concerns me about even his potential to become a role-player at this level.
Right now it looks like Morey is just stocking the farm system, which is fine by me. Having the luxury to do this gives you guys like Patterson who can jump right into a game, know the system, and perform....As opposed to guys like Hill who never got a "Rockets minor league" experience and perform inconsistantly. Lets be serious, if NY gets Melo next year that pick will not be very valuable.
Lets say we get Randolph. Dont we have to release someone to make a roster spot? If yes, doesnt it become: Randolph for a 1st round pick + Ish ?
They love JJ, he would go to NY with the 1st rounder. They didn't like his contract last year but now it becomes a benefit this year.
co-sign, and jordan hill was the original terrence williams (no minutes) until williams was traded to houston.
Why people suggest this to br a mistake is a mystery to Mr. The Knicks are already a playoff team and with the addition of Melo become all the more formidable As they win more Games, the value of The pick decreases greatly. Moreover, if the rockets were to use that pick to select a play in the 20 range, what is the chance they get a big man with a ceiling and skill set like Randolph?
