1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rockets Training Camp @ McNeese State

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RasaqBoi, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. DreamShook

    DreamShook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    71,072
    Likes Received:
    115,131
    You may be right, but I'm still holding onto that one game Ennis had against James Harden when he locked him down on defense and was draining 3s in the Rockets faces for a full game. Only Roberson played that kind of D on Harden.
     
  2. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,046
    Likes Received:
    7,804
    Ariza was and apparently still OVERRATED. Go pull up the stats when he didn't play and go look at the stats defending elite scorers.
     
  3. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,082
    Likes Received:
    21,359
    he made a couple threes that game and those were actually the only ones he made against us all season :D
     
  4. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,885
    funny. look at your own post "elite" anyone who understands what true defense is, knows you don't solely judge it off stats bc it can't be measured

    once again for the 1000 time. "overrated" is used as a gimmick excuse
     
  5. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    8,792
    Likes Received:
    11,044
    Right. Because Ariza could have gotten a breakaway layup anytime he wanted to, but we just didn't do that because its "not the system". If a system gave you wide open breakaways every time that would be the greatest system ever, no one would turn that down. It has nothing to do with system and everything to do with personnel. Have you ever seen Ariza try to dribble the ball on a break? Even if he did cherry pick a couple of baskets we did not have the personnel to get out in transition. And stop trying to twist my words, we still don't have the personnel because Ennis alone won't change that. All I said was they will run more than last year because they have 1 guy to do it now compared to 0, and that transition is an actual strength of Ennis. That doesn't make us a run and gun team all of a sudden.
     
    skroodup25 likes this.
  6. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,885
    it has everything to do with the system. it seems you just dont understand or grasp what the rockets do and how they play. You seem to not watch the rockets enough to notice "fast breaks" that dont end in layups but more often than not open shots on the perimeter. They're going to run just as much as they did last year if not less bc they also added melo who obviously doesn't play fast.

    they didn't sign ennis to get in transition. they signed him to play defense and hit open 3's. again, if he doesn't become a contributor in that fashion primarily then yeah he's going to struggle
     
  7. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,082
    Likes Received:
    21,359
    bro i've been one of people here maligning ariza over the years, particularly on the defensive end. my post was not so much overhyping ariza as much as tempering expectations for ennis. and i've been a fan of ennis for a long time. i just don't expect elite D from him. even in the game that Dreamshook referenced above, after having re-watched that game earlier this summer my impression was more that harden had an off night shooting and the refs let him get mauled, than ennis really locking him down. ennis plays a physical-leaning style of D up top that i fear is going to get him into foul trouble quite often. instead of moving his feet he uses his forearms.
     
  8. bmd

    bmd Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2012
    Messages:
    7,747
    Likes Received:
    3,517
    From what I've seen of Ennis... he is slow laterally and gets beat off the dribble a lot and in order to catch up he makes a lot of contact with his body/arm... and gets called for fouls a lot because of it. What he did in this clip is not a rarity.
     
  9. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,082
    Likes Received:
    21,359
    yeah we were regularly able to put ariza and luc on point guards trying to slow them down with length, but it seems we won't have that option with ennis. hopefully MCW can drain enough open 3's and reduce his mental mistakes enough in order to play him in the rotation
     
  10. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    8,792
    Likes Received:
    11,044
    You seem to be great at twisting words, and not so great at understanding basketball. No one said they signed Ennis to get in transition. I said that was a strength of his, which if you watched any basketball you would know is a fact.

    Also you don't seem to understand basic basketball. Transition offense is THE most efficient form of offense in basketball. If that was an option, no team would turn it down and make it harder on themselves. However, it is dependent on personnel, not system like you think(the system is based on personnel). Transition is risk and reward. Turnovers go up, fatigue goes up, but IF you have good finishers you get the best quality shots in basketball. If you don't have the personnel for it, runners and finishers, then it is just risk and not so much reward. The Rockets did not have the personnel for it last year, so no sense running pointlessly, you save energy and lessen turnovers. They STILL don't have the personnel for it, stop twisting my words, but Ennis will help.
     
  11. bmd

    bmd Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2012
    Messages:
    7,747
    Likes Received:
    3,517
    I've seen those highlights and I'm going to be honest... the first time I saw that video I was not particularly impressed. He didn't do much of anything. Most of the video was of him getting screened and Harden making a mistake on his own.
     
  12. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,885
    A strength of gerald green is transition, I wonder why anyone barely saw any of that. Capela is also just fine in transition. You're stuck on this belief about lack of personnel. It's because it's not something they hang their hat on so it doesn't matter. If a wide open layup is there, great take it. Especially when it comes to the playoffs, its not part of what they do. You're confusing system which you dont get w/ personnel. Their pace is gonna be just about the same as its been before regardless of ennis
     
  13. TheSource

    TheSource Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,257
    Likes Received:
    1,959
    why is everyone saying Ennis defense in that clip was bad? that was just great offense by cp3. Ennis is going to be fine.
     
    apollo33 likes this.
  14. Know Your Role

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2011
    Messages:
    1,055
    Likes Received:
    661
    Rockets gonna be great guys, chill. Something big is happening in that practice facility in Lake Charles. I ain't talking MVP's dinner plate at the all you can eat buffet either.
     
  15. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    20,397
    Likes Received:
    16,589
    How people can draw conclusion from 1 play that's like 5 seconds from a intagram practice video is beyond me.

    That said, I think Ennis will be like Beverley, very tough in your face defender but will probably foul a lot because of lack of lateral speed, and defensive discipline.

    Ariza actually is not quick at all laterally, he gets blown by a lot by quicker guards and wings, but he has the length and discipline to bother bigger and taller wings like Durant or even Lebron.

    I still don't know why we got rid of Luc, He had the IQ and quickness.
     
    Remlap likes this.
  16. rockets13champs

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    9,034
    Likes Received:
    8,496
    James got the same problem as me. In pics I look fat but in person I’m much skinnier
     
    DreamShook likes this.
  17. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    108,239
    Likes Received:
    158,323
  18. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    56,828
    Likes Received:
    39,147
    I think the shoulder may have played into the decision. He didn't get it operated on, as far as I know, and after what happened after he injured it, I would be hesitant to bring him back myself, and I liked the guy.
     
    Patience likes this.
  19. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    8,792
    Likes Received:
    11,044
    Gonna stop you right there. According to what? Because he can jump? No data anywhere supports this.
     
  20. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,885
    gonna go by your logic with ennis. if you've watched him play enough then you would know
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now