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Rockets trade Brooks to Suns

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ItsMyFault, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. wakawakka

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    I have pretty much no doubt in my mind that AB will be a more special player than Lowry (and Dragic for that matter) once he fully recovers from his injury. That's why it sucks seeing him go, but I understand the circumstances that necessitated the decision.

    It's still sad to me, though. When I watched AB's playoff performances not even two years ago, I never thought he'd be traded away for a backup point and a so-so pick. I was sure he was a huge part of the future for us; an enormous, much-needed upgrade from the suckage known as Rafer.

    As much as people love Kyle around here, you have to admit if you look at it objectively, Kyle is probably one of the bottom 5 starting point guards in the league. Someone you'd want to be in a foxhole with? Sure. A special talent? Not really, in my opinion.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see AB suddenly playing a lot better in Phoenix, having to be Nash's backup instead of Lowry's. He could very well light it up in the playoffs for them just like he did for us. I'll be disappointed that he didn't have the mental fortitude to do that for us this season...But at the same time I can let it go and be happy for him he's come alive in a new place. Best of luck to AB in both his basketball career and growing up a bit as a man.
     
  2. tmacfor35

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    You most definently can't win in this league with a bottom 5 point guard.

    Signed,
    The back to back champs.
     
  3. wakawakka

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    You can most definitely win with one of your positions being a glaring weakness when you've got superstars and all-stars on your team. Doesn't change the fact that I think AB is more talented than Kyle.
     
  4. rock4ever

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    I just don't understand people who say this about AB. He was a serious threat healthy. There were nights he outplayed some elite point guards while here, now he's "not that good"? Can't understand that
     
  5. mazinger

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    Talent is useless if you don't make your team mates better. I'll prove you Lowry is better than Brooks as a PG:

    Passing: Lowry
    Defense: Lowry
    Rebounding: Lowry
    Assists: Lowry
    Setting up team mates: Lowry
    Running plays: Lowry
    Scoring: Brooks


    Brooks isn't and doesn't play like a PG, he's a short SG. Go to any board or other teams and they will all tell you the same. DD is getting roasted defending Brooks over at the Spurs board. Get over it, Brooks isn't that good as a PG. He needs a true PG with him for the team to work. That's why he always played better when paired with Lowry.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I would say the irrational hate for Brooks came when he left the court early, in an unprofessional move, but no, it was well before that. People were definitely hating on him for his play this year after the injury. But no, it was before that. People have been hating on him, on this site, since the minute he was drafted.

    I'm glad he's getting a fresh start. From what I've heard, though, Phoenix is already hating on him (fan wise.)
     
  7. tmacfor35

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    AB is much more talented and Lowry. He just isn't mentally strong enough to lead a team. I think that is the most important part of being a point guard. Derek fisher, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups all won titles and it's safe to day in some form they were leaders on their teams.
     
  8. chenjy9

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    AB was a better scorer, full stop. That is all. Brooks cannot finish strong at the rim, was a statistically poor shooter from mid range, cannot guard anyone at all, was a poor passer, and has shown to be mentally weak and susceptible to adversity as shown multiple times in his career. I think a PG who can defend, hustles, looks to get his teammates involved in the flow of offense, and can actually contribute when his shot does not fall is a way more "talented" player than someone who is completely useless and detrimental to the team when his shot doesn't fall.
     
  9. wakawakka

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    Get over it that not everyone agrees with you. Kyle is not a Rondo-like playmaker like people make him out to be. He's only averaging one more than assist than AB did last year as a starter. He's a better defender, but not some elite defender that he's made out to be around here. Your obsessions with AB and DD, who are both GONE, are seriously creepy.
     
  10. wakawakka

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    Yeah, I can understand the reasoning behind this more than people who are exaggerating how bad Brooks was.
     
  11. Stevierebel

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    Further proof as to why you don't take Hoopsworld seriously... They don't know what's going on....
     
  12. mazinger

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    Did I compare Lowry to Rodno? My point was that Lowry is better than Brooks as a PG to run the team. God dammed you're an idiot. Better luck next time sparky. Now run along and bother someone else.
     
  13. wakawakka

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    Ok...you responded to me in the first place lol. You said Lowry was a far superior passer and playmaker than Brooks...yet has only one more assist per game to prove it. Yet, I'm the idiot.

    Seems like Brooks being gone from the team isn't good enough for you. It bothers you if anyone doesn't hate him as much as you do. Lol. Pretty sad if you ask me.
     
  14. rock4ever

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    I think the hate comes from those who don't follow the rockets very closely. AB was the main reason we beat Portland in the playoffs and took the Lakers to 7 games. The following season he was the best player on the team and earned MIP. Its stupid logic to say Lowrys better than Brooks, especially when the Rockets suck this season. Lowry's having a better season but is in NO WAY a better point guard. The only problem is Brooks blew his cool too often this year. Ill give Brooks haters that. But he's definitely alot better than you guys give him credit for
     
  15. sammy

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    I doubt most of his supporters heard of Brooks before draft night. I was ecstatic when we drafted him. Too bad he chose to let his contract situation ruin his tenure with the Rockets.

    People who say he's still better than Lowry are in straight denial. I can't wait until Lowry shuts him down which isnt saying much these days. Just gotta leave him open and he'll miss. Im super stoked about not having him dribble out the clock and proceed to jack up a shot. It's a team game. AB is all about getting his. High volume shooter at the PG position that doesn't contribute much if any when his shot isn't falling.
     
  16. NotInMyHouse

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    So, what? Every player on the roster is hated on by someone here. That doesn't make AB a unique snowflake. As soon as we make picks next year in the draft there will be plenty of detractors then, too.
     
  17. Ottomaton

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    Everything is relative. If you think Aaron Brooks is an all-star caliber player, and a starting point guard for a championship team, then everybody who doesn't share your opinion - everybody who can see some flaws in the total package - is a "hater".

    I personally had nothing against the guy. He always played hard. But he is essentially a sub-6 foot shooting guard playing out of position. He is a good volume scorer, but limited as a defender and "true point guard". He is the NBA equivalent of looking at total home runs on the stat sheet to determine how good an MLB hitter is. Stats along one narrow axis don't provide a complete picture. Of course, his genetic limitations and natural tendencies aren't his fault, but they shouldn't be ignored.

    I know that pointing that out makes me a "hater" in some people's eyes, but I would disagree with that assessment. In fact, if I "hate" anybody, its the fanboys who pump him up to be more than he realistically is.

    Good luck, Aaron. I appreciate you for what you actually are. If that makes me a hater, then fine.
     
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  18. Patience

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    Aaron, I loved you as a Rocket, and I will continue to follow and support you as a Sun.

    That said, I am a big GD fan too. Bring on our two-headed point guard, Kyran Dragry!
     
  19. rock4ever

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    I don't think your a Brooks hater, but grossly undervalued skill set. By you implying that Brooks won't ever be the starting guard on a championship team is ridiculous. After he destroyed the Lakers in that 7 game series, I find it hard to believe Brooks can't get back to that level. People always use that "true point guard" argument against Brooks but some true point guards don't have the scoring abirlity to win championships either (Jason Kidd).
    On the right team, Brooks can definitely not only a starter, but key contributor in the playoffs. I don't see Lowry stepping up like Brooks in the playoffs. I just think you don't understand how valuable Brooks was to our future
     
  20. durvasa

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    How much would you have offered Brooks in the offseason? Or, I should say, what do you think would have been a fair offer?
     

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