If you start this kind of argument, then I say the Memphis fans should be thinking now :"we used full MLE on someone nobody thinks he is worth that much, someone Rox replaced with two players much cheaper." Or Spurs fans should think "why did we use MLE on Horry whom was denied MLE by Lakers?" There is no reason to feel bad about our acquisitions.
I thought I asked you to put me on your ignore list. The flaw in your logic is that Houston wanted to keep Posey. They just didnt want to offer him the MLE. Dallas did not want to keep Griffin at any price. He got the minimum which Dallas was not willing to pay. How many teams replace a viable player with the 29th pick in the draft in their rookie season. Josh Howard hasn't even played a single exhibition game and Dallas thinks he's more valuable than Griffin. What does that tell you. It's a talent issue. Piatkowski and Griffin are cheaper than Posey but nobody would consider them equivalent players. It's purely a money issue, not talent based.
I don't think Dallas would mind keep Griffin for free. Unfortunately that price is not allowed. Also they are overloaded with big contracts, so they were determined to cut back expense. This past season We used EG to replace someone who just got a $50mil/6year contracts. The point is replacement is not always better. You love Posey is one thing, but why the hatred for Griffin? You are not only stubborn, but also turning irrational. I am putting you on my ignore list. Is there a way in the system to automatically filter away all your post?
A team is determined to cut back expenses by not signing a viable player to a league minimum. And Im the irrational one? Good lord that's stupid.
I would beg to differ. I think Posey sucks. He sucked in Denver and he sucked here until the last 20 games of the season. So out of 4 years, he had 20 good games( not great games). That is not enough evidence justify 6 million a year in my book. Judging from the poll from the other thread, 80% of the posters on this board would agree. Pike on the otherhand has proven over the years that he can shoot lights out, which is something we need more than a 3 that is over-rated on defense and at best average on offense. Posey to me is a poor man's Shandon Anderson.
He sucked in Denver and that's why he was their 2nd leading scorer. And he sucked here until the last 20 games? Amazing considering he only played 55 with Houston. It's called adjustment. Once he got comfortable with his teammates, he played better. The Poll? 1/2 the people here want Bostjian Nachbar to start. Give me a break. Eric Piatkowski? Eric Piatkowsi has been a career 20 minute/game bench player and yet he's now the next Bostjian Nachbar.
I love the sig... Said South Carolina coach Eddie Fogler, "The best way to stop Langhi is to pray." wow...i'm from columbia, south carolina...home of the gamecocks...fogler got axed 2 years ago but the quote is amazing...langhi was a decent scorer in college but reading the quote makes me die in hindsight
Coming into the middle of a heated debate is always fun... I personally don't really worry to much about this. The difference between James Posey and Adrian Griffin isn't going to be the difference between winning the Champonship, or anything close, so it's sweating the small stuff. That said, for the purpose of argument, to suggest that there isn't a difference between Posey and Griffin is silly. To suggest that Piatkowski + Griffin = Posey is probably innacurate, but definitely academic unless we can play 6 men on the floor at the same time. Posey was clearly the best of the three players, and the only one who is possibly still on the ascent. Piatkowski is probably as good as he'll get, and Griffin's age and injuries would suggest it's much more than likely that he's a diminishing return. The only possible worry is if this is a sign that we are, if not cheap, at least not among the teams capable of spending what it takes to buold a winner. I doubt that's true, or at least i doubt that that's what this move is about. Piatkoskis and Griffins are, in the NBA scope of things, a dime a dozen. But Poseys aren't exactly the kind of guys who come along once a decade either, so let's say he's a quarter a dozen. Like I said, don't sweat the small stuff until we're in a position where it means the difference between winning it all, geting close, or going home early. We aren't there yet.
Hmm interesting. I wonder if Yao can dribble a little. He is used to all those smaller chineese chasing him all over. A 7`5`` sf may create some matchup problems -even for Garnett. He would always have Griffin and Cato backing him up. I just dont feel good with a 6`5`1` small forward. He could pass and score over anybody. Now I am not seriously contemplating this but Garnett is 7`0`` and he does it and i s very sucsessful at it.
Averaging 14 points a game while shooting 37% for 25 games on one of the worse teams in the NBA is nothing to brag about. Posey's offensive numbers are worse than Pikes while playing more minutes and taking more shots. The difference between the two isn't much and Pike is a better fit for this team because he keeps teams honest on D. Where when Posey was on the floor, his man would go off and double either Yao, SF, or Mobley. Also I'm going to use the same argument you used for A. Griffin here. If Posey was so good, why did Denver(the second worse team in the league) trade their so called second highest scorer for a bag of peanuts.
Exactly MacBeth, With Posey, we had one of the worse starting 3's among playoff contenders, and without Posey, we still have one of the worse starting 3's in the league. Posey was not the answer so why mortgage our future for him.
I agree with you kid, I also think this statement applies to most threads on this site....let's just wait and see what JVG does!!
1. What is worse? Someone who averaged 34 minutes/game on the 2nd worst team or a player who averaged 21 minutes on a 27 win Clipper team? In 8 seasons with with the Playoff Powerhouse LA Clippers, Piatkowski has averaged 20 minutes per game. WHY? If you watched any of the Denver games, Posey was forced to be the #2 scorer by default with very few options. Is it a coincedence that once he came to the Rockets, he shot 44%? And this is without a transition game that often leads to easier baskets and a higher FG%. Piatkowski couldnt even crack the Clipper starting lineup for the past how many seasons? Why is that? Piatkowski averaged 21.9 minutes last year. Cherokee Parks averaged 21.6 minutes. Posey wouldve been a steal at $2.5 million. Can you honestly say Piatkowski was a "steal". We paid full price for Piatkowski on the open market. James Posey will be taking over Wesley Person's starting minutes. Eric Piatkowski is a Wesley Person clone. Posey is a much better overall player than Piatkowski or Person and he would start over either player on any team. 2. Denver was hoping their early lotto pick, Tskitshivili would eventually take over and be a Pau Gasol type player. Nobody was sure what Posey would command on the open market and they didn't want to pay him big $ just like the Rockets didnt want to pay Kenny Thomas big $ so Denver cleared some salary and got a future #1 from Philadelphia.
With a 6'5 sf, and a 6,4 SG , we have a very small Lineup. So A. Griffen will not start, its just the way it will be. 6,7 ,6,8 is a good size for a SF. Whats with ppl's love with undersized players?? Players are getting bigger in the nba not smaller.
from Ownage: An inch or 2 at the 2 or 3 position is not exactly small ball when you've got a 7-5 center and 6-11 pf (almost).
Yeah, Posey is so noticeably inferior to Devean George and Bruce Bowen, it's not even funny. Posey might not be great, but he's not a re-tread playing for the veteran minimum like Griffin.
First Deveon George is only the starter because Fox got Hurt, and secondly, most people would trade Posey for Bowen in a heart beat. Honestly, I don't know enough about Griffin to comment. But I do know enough about Posey to know he ain't worth the MLE independently of who we bring in to replace him.
Most of our team is consecutive in height... 7'0" Jason Collier 6'11" Kelvin Cato 6'10" Eddie Griffin 6'9" Bostjan Nachbar 6'8" Glen Rice 6'7" Juaquin Hawkings 6'6" Eric Piatkowski 6'5" Adrian Griffin 6'4" Cutino Mobley 6'3" Steve Francis
umm. the "flaw in your logic" is Dallas did not try to get Posey. Only on cellar dweller did. Do you not think Dallas would have jumped at Posey at $2.5m.... Of course.... Do you not think Dallas needs him? Do you not think SA could use him?
