Rockets showing interest in trading for Ricky Rubio?

I've lost hope that this piece of crap thread will die, but can people please stop quoting the resident blow hard. Let's recap why he's a douche

1. Makes up hypotheticals to match his fantasies and calls them rumors
2. Assigns undue blame to individuals w/complete lack of logic or understanding of the mechanics of the NBA
3. Forces the issue with singular topics to the point of insanity
4. tries to generate a following by indicating a connected nature to things he has no connection to (reality for 1)

 

Clutch, please kill this thread. Kill it with fire!

 

Yes, only fire or a silver bullet can kill this thread.

 

We could nuke it from orbit but I'm afraid that would take out the rest of the GARM as collateral damage.

 

This is interesting, because as a statement it mostly applies to big men.

It secondarily applies to players who aren't volume scorers, but are at least somewhat efficient, have certain areas where they are above average efficiency (eg. a wing who can't shoot threes but can slash, or finish in the fast break), and don't typically have the ball in their hands a lot.

For Rubio, he has the ball in his hands a lot, is key to the offense, and gets paid as if he can at least be average efficiency.

While he's CERTAINLY still a far superior playmaker and defender at this point to PBev... if you are forced to only use him in that "role player" sense that a player can still be good without being a good scorer (as you would say usually about bigs... Steven Adams, Tristan Thomson, Clint Capela, etc.)... well you'd want to pay him less and might as well keep PBev and try and upgrade elsewhere.

 

Somehow I believe news is breaking every-time I see this thread only to be disappointed.

 

Those of you who do not like this thread, just don't click into it. That simple.

 

What no one seems to talk about Ricky is the fact that sometimes a change of scenery can be all of the difference. It could be possible that Coach Thibs is the needed change or maybe he needs a brand new team. Ricky Rubio's mother recently passed away due to complications with cancer. She battled all last season. Ricky is notoriously a mamma's boy. Who knows what type of place he is in right now or what type of place he was in last season during her battle.

I'm not sure if Ricky is ever going to shoot 50% from the field or 40% from the three point line but I don't believe it's a foregone conclusion he won't. Previously mentioned was Lowry as an example of someone who improved their shooting dramatically. Chauncey Billups is another player who had a similar dramatic improvement.

What Ricky has is something you cannot teach. He is a generally love-able teammate and guy in general and he has a vision for the game that is really unmatched. People decrying a potential deal as an impossibility are missing a major point. Morey has always fawned for Ricky and from the outside looking it in it appears that he suddenly is readily available.

Pat Beverly was out of the NBA and he found a really great role with our team. Same with Beasley. James Harden was a great sixth man who showed potential to be an all-star type player, he has become not only an allstar but a true MVP candidate. Goran Dragic was a meddling role player who had gone out of favor in Phoenix, he eventually blossomed here and has had a great career, he's done much more than anticipated. We all know what happened with Lowry. The moral of the story is sometimes players need a new start. Maybe Ricky falls under this category, maybe he doesn't. Hell, Nash was a good player in Dallas but nothing close to what happened under MDA.

Rubio is a player who i have followed fairly closely throughout his career and I would love to see him in a Rockets uniform come October. It's not a sure thing he is even truly available but I promise Morey is going to be first to call if he is.

 

Freat post... Im all in for Ricky Rubio the Pointgawd.

 

Great post treyk3.

 

I concur.

Great stuff.

 

Great post.

My main concern with Rubio (and I am generally a fan of his) is the risk factor. Of the names that have been mentioned as potential targets, he may be the highest risk/reward candidate.

IF Harden can make the transition to a scoring guard and secondary creator, and IF Rubio can effectively play off ball and improve his shooting, it could be our chance to put the most amount of talent out on the floor as possible. But from where I sit today (and my mind changes daily regarding Rubio), I have my doubts that all of those things will fall into place. There is a very real chance that Rubio and Harden don't mesh and we're playing Ricky 15 minutes a night (mostly while Harden sits). This would be even more exacerbated in the playoffs, when Harden is playing 40 minutes a night.

A combo guard like Dragic, Lowry or Llull is a much safer bet, and I feel that's a fairly objective statement. All have been in dual-PG systems and learned how to play effectively off ball. Ricky has never done that and it would be a major transition for him. The same was true for Lawson, though there were some extenuating circumstances there.

When I think of someone like Dragic playing with Harden, I see Dragic cutting to the basket when Harden is double teamed and either finishing around the basket at a high rate or kicking it out to Anderson, Ariza or Gordon (small ball) for an open 3. I also see Harden doing something similar with the ball in his hands.

I don't have that same vision with Rubio. Maybe he can evolve to that, but I seriously doubt the plan is to take the ball out of Harden's hands.

 

The problem with this is that not all once-poor shooters are equal.

Lowry, Billups, and Kidd were never as terrible as Rubio. They weren't even close. For example, Lowry's very worst shooting year (TS%-wise) is the same as Rubio's very best.

Rubio's offensive suckage is unprecedented, which is why many wish to think it will just magically improve cuz whythehellnot; his suckage is just too much to comprehend. Improvement for Rubio's shooting would simply move him from all-time-terrible to normal-terrible. In no way would he be a solid starter on a title contending team... unless maybe he was surrounded by 4 elite shooters and defenders, which the Rockets are not.

 

and hes been working to fix his shot for years now. hiring coaches etc to work on it. Maybe its more of a confidence thing but it still isn't any good.

 

At this point, the Steve Francis thread has more credibility than this one.

 

Concur. Pretty much my thinking as well.

 

A few things to keep in mind when t comes to Rubio as well is that he has made people better players and that he has not been surrounded by great shpoting either.. Surround Rubio with a lineup of Harden,Gordon, Ariza and Anderson and see what happens He will be left alone aka Rondo in 2008, but trusting his decision making abilities and the defensive predictability that would make Houston a really dangerous team.

 

hes made people better players? hmm but Minny has been losing ever since he was there

 

I'd normally agree with this but the title thread is now misleading. No harm in debating about the merits of one mr. Rubio, but as another poster mentioned every time it's bumped it miscommunicates that there is a trade imminent.

I'd say shut it down or move it to a Rubio discussion thread.

 

I totally get the skepticism, but we are not comparing him to Lebron. Minnesota had guys like Anthony Bennett playing a lot of minutes. They just did not have that much talent outside of Kevin Love. He's has not been on a team that is as good as the Rockets at shooting and overall talent.On this team him being an unselfish passfirst point guard is mostly okay with us. Would we lke him to be a better shooter of course but for me I want him to make better decisions on which shots to take first, then worry about his shooting percentage.