Rockets showing interest in trading for Ricky Rubio?

I see this a lot but comparing Rubio to Kidd is mistaken; Kidd at his worst was significantly better than Rubio at his best. Kidd was never as bad a shooter or finisher as Rubio.

Rondo is also a much better scorer (shooting and finishing) than Rubio ever has been.

There really is no good historical comparison for Rubio. He's an all-time terrible scorer.

 

This thread is pissing me off. I see "Rockets showing interest in..." in the Last Post column on the BBS main page thinking that there's some new FA news. Just to click it and find that its just this stupid Rubio thread.

 

Legit question.

2015 Rondo was fighting his coach and the offense. Dallas was/is/ and has been built around Dirk for many years, like back years before the rule changes. Not like Boston where it was 4 old men standing around waiting for Rondo to draw defenders and pitch them the ball in 08, which was after the rule changes. You see, Boston won a championship in 08 playing drive and kick 3 years after the key hand check rule change.

Rondo tried to force his offensive system on Carlisle. Csrlisle wasn't having it. It culminated in the meltdown we saw in the playoffs. Rondo should have ran Carlisle's offense. Dribble to Dirk's pick, then drive, and throws it back to Dirk high, then move off the ball in Dallas's rotation. You know.......... the way Kidd did in 2011 when he became part of Dallas' system and Dirk was the man.

Kids didn't play the same way in Dallas that he played in New Jersey. It wasn't because the league rules had evolved to the point where he couldn't. If anything, the 2004-05 rule change eliminating hand checks would have made the 02 and 03 New Jersey Nets' Jason Kidd even more lethal. It was because in 2011 Kidd had aged and could no longer take all the physical abuse he had taken over the years with his drive and kick game and because he had moved on to a team where he was not the man any longer. It was his job as a professional seeking a championship to fit into that team. And he did. And they won.

Rondo refused to accept he wasnt the man in Dallas and he refused to fit his basketball skills into Dallas' system. Very dumb on his part. He could have been sensational in Dallas if he had simply agreed to receive the ball back after giving it to Dirk to initiate. Rondo could not have been stopped if he caught the ball from Dirk as he cut to the basket, or if he was following up Dirk's shots on the offensive glass, or if he caught the ball weak side from Dirk after the defense over rotated stong side. Shoot the 3? Forget that. If he caught the ball weak side he could've easily walked the ball to the basket with his handle and either finished himself or found a teammate on the move for the lob or open 3.

Rondo simply did not want to fit in to an existing good team. He wanted the team to change to fit him in.

Ricky Rubio does not have that temperment. Rubio has laboured in silence in a system that was never built to maximize his skill set. He hasn't griped, pouted, or complained about playing with a bunch of kids in a slow down system that does not take advantage of, nor force transition. He's just went out there and played his butt off.

Put Rubio in a fast system that emphasizes turning the ball over defensively and running offensively, alongside a great scorer like Harden, a couple great shooters, and a pogo stick big like Noel and he'll be sensational. Nobody will care if he shoots 35% from the field when James is averaging 35/5 with 2-3 turnovers a game and we are winning 60+ games. And the odd thing is going to be Rubios shooting percentages would go up substantially since he would be encouraged to avoid taking the worst shot in basketball so frequently like he has done throughout his career.

 

That is a very good response. You've convinced me it would be a fun experiment with Rubio but I still think it's risky.

Personally, I think the rules changes have lessened the need for break-down-the-defense PG types. Defenses play more zone so instead you can break down a defense just by having enough shooting to stretch out their coverage, the way GS does. I would love to see the Rockets pair Harden with a big 3 and D type instead, like Danny Green.

 

Paging jross Thursday was the deadline you still hearing something might go down?

 

what did he mentioned? what Trade?

 

For rubio. Either bev and brew or ariza and fillers.

 

Thursday "is" the deadline. It's still Thursday.....not that I hold much credence in this Rubio thing.

 

Yeah i said it wrong thanks.

 

Quick question.

Has any championship team had a primary ball handler shooting under a 50% TS%?

Asking for a friend.

 

Well I was going to say Boston with Rondo but he was just over 50% that season, Rubio's TS% was higher than Rondo's that season though.....not that I think getting Rubio would be at all a good idea.

 

Kidd was 0.524% in 2011 but that is about the closest I can think of. Rondo was about 0.545%. I am guessing Kidd is the lowest in at least the past 20 years when you talk about a true "primary ball handler" on a championship team.

 

Sorry for not posting in a few days. Texted my buddy w/ the Rox about Rubio and this is what I got.

1) A trade for Rubio is still likely to happen. However, it looks like a couple other fledging WC teams are jumping into the market for him (Sac., Utah, Denver).

2) He did say that "regardless" of what happens with Rubio, Beverley is "safer" than originally thought.



I don't really know how to interpret this. I wrote him about Ariza and haven't heard anything back yet. I guess it makes sense to have Bev coming off of the bench in his natural role (6/7 man).

 

Would make more sense to bring Rubio off the bench as the primary creator when Harden is not on the floor.

Rubio is and continues to be the worst possible fit you could ask for alongside Harden.

 

Yeah I texted my buddy and he felt the same. Rubio only if we get him dirt cheap and he's our 7th/8th man.

 

Dude, Rubio sucks. Put him in ANY system and he'll be the same player. Not being able to score will translate to any system you put him in. Comparing Rondo's situation to Dallas is pointless because Deron Williams didn't do anything under the same offense, yet Rondo's "dumb"? Lol. Plus Rondo had a pretty good season in Sactown and proved he can actually shoot unlike Rubio.


Rondo>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rubio

 

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Thanks. Much appreciated.

 

Doesn't make sense for Denver, Utah imo...the jazz just traded for Hill and Denver has Mudiay...

 

I cant believe I am saying this but I will pick Lin over Rubio