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Rockets Players Split Stats in W/L's

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by 11Rox4Life3, May 24, 2013.

  1. 11Rox4Life3

    11Rox4Life3 Member

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    i was bored...seems like we have multiple topics on the same things. thought it'd be cool to see some splits on the season in terms of w/l's.

    obviously tells us stuff we already know...but maybe it generates some discussion?


    james harden
    wins (43) - 27.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.3 apg on 48/41/87
    losses (35) - 23.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.3 apg on .386/32/82
    (both are 38 mpg)
    harden also played little better v. east than west (maybe explains our dominance over the east. 27/5/6 on 46/36/86 v. 25/5/6 on 42/38/84/
    harden is also 26.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.3 apg on 46/40/85 and 25/5/5 on 42/33/85.

    jeremy lin
    wins (45) - 14.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 6.6 apg on 47/36/81
    losses (37) - 12.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 5.4 apg on 40/32/75
    (both are 32 mpg)
    obviously not something we didn't know...but man our backcourt is either ridiculously efficient or flat out not...
    pretty damn similar sort splits (good at home, bad on the road)

    omer asik
    wins (45) - 10.9 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 0.8 apg on 54% and 59% from the line
    losses (37) - 9.2 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 1.0 apg on 54% and 53% from the line
    (both are 30 mpg)
    also asik averages less than a block in our losses and over 1 in our wins.

    chandler parsons
    wins (42) - 15.2 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.0 apg on 50/40/73
    losses (34) - 15.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.0 apg 46/37/73
    (35.5 mpg in wins, around 37 in losses)
    biggest difference is in tov's. 76 turnovers in our 34 losses. and only 71 turnovers in our 42 wins with him.
    parsons played 22 games with over 40+ mins. 19.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3.6 apg on 52/42/76.

    carlos delfino
    wins (38) - 10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg on 44/41/83
    losses (29) - 10.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.0 apg on 37/34/88
    (24.5 mpg in wins, 26 in losses)
    lol, delfino is either really bad...or really good. and in his really bad games, he makes sure to take even more shots to get that 10.6 average. and he also plays way better v. east than west 44% from the field and 42% from three versus 38% and 34%.

    greg smith
    wins (41) - 7.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg on 67%
    losses (29) -4.4 rpg, 4.9 rpg on 54%
    (16.5 mpg in wins, and 14.9 in losses)
    smith in his 10 games as a starter did 8.8 ppg, and 5.6 rpg in 23.5 mpg. i would make it PER36, but there's no point cuz he'd foul out trying to play 36 mpg, hah.

    patrick beverley
    wins (23) - 6.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.7 apg on .435/40/83
    losses (18) - 4.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.1 apg on .395/34/83
    (16.5 mpg in wins, and 18.5 mpg in our losses)
    when beverley played 20-29 mins (averaged 22.9 mpg in those games)...he averaged 7.7/3.5/3.8 on 47/45/83 in 17 games.

    anything telling? or just rehashing stuff we knew, lol.
     
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  2. proudfoot

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    The win loss breakdowns seem to be really close with the exception of Harden/Lin.

    When those two play well - we win, when they don't, we lose.
     
  3. sleepyazn

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    These numbers don't tell the full story. Please include turnover averages in wins/loss. Most of the Rocket's losses this year can be explained by turnovers.
     
  4. hubeijames

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    To be fair they just say the same story. We win when Lin & Harden TO less, lose when they TO more.
     
  5. edlkf

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    Interestingly..for Jeremy its actually the opposite..
     
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    When we let our PG create and generate more assists/TOs in the process we win more. When we go Harden ISO chuck mode we lose more.
     
  7. whozee

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    When Greg Smith plays we are 41-29

    Hmmmmmmmmm................
     
  8. 11Rox4Life3

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    good call on tov's, no idea why i didn't include it.

    3.1 tovs for lin in wins. only 2.59 in our losses.

    harden is...only 3.2 TOV's in wins and 4.4 in our losses (wow).

    i already mentioned parsons.

    asik gets 1.6 tov's in wins, and 2.6 tov's in our losses.
     
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    When Asik has more defensive rebounds than the opposing center, Houston Rockets are 36 - 21

    Asik has won 8 matchups against top 10 Centers, Houston Rockets are 7 - 1 in these games
     
  10. Fair Dinkum

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    So it shows when Lin is aggressive and getting more assists and turnovers the team has a better chance of winning.

    couple that with...

    Harden handling the ball less and getting his points in the flow of the game instead of forcing it through ISO plays, the team has better chance of winning.

    I'd like to see Hardens minutes reduced (consequently his usage rate) and Lin be more aggressive but under control.
     
  11. jackycool

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    I think his minutes are fine, he just needs to do less on the floor. He can be a facilitator but he doesn't have to be one the majority of the time. He should focus more on creating his own shot, scoring, and his defense and leave most of the facilitating to Lin.
     
  12. Easy

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    1. Harden's fg% in losses is scary.
    2. Asik passes a little better in losses. j/k :grin:
    3. LOL at OP's comment on Delfino.
    4. Beverley rebounds better, passes better, but shoots way worse in losses.
     
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    We already know when Harden turns the ball over a ton and shoots poorly, Rockets lose 90% of those games.
     
  14. Joe Joe

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    Basically, when a team can focus and stop Harden, no one on team has stepped up. This is when Lin needs to create a second penetration. Sadly, teams stop Harden by packing paint and when ball kicks out to Lin, his preferred attack is covered. Teams don't force Lin off the three point line as they know he is too good at creating off penetration.

    Lin seems unwilling to be a chucker. Lin was getting better at taking threes. I'm not talking about percentage, I'm talking 3pta. He is a good enough shooter to have more 7-9 attempt games.
     
  15. Fair Dinkum

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    Well, if Lin shot 3s like the last 41 games of the season at 40%, I wouldn't mind him taking 7-9 more attempts.

    However, McHale wants him to be a pass first point guard, not a scorer. If anything, I think they want to reduce Lin's shot attempts per game to under 10. I don't see the coaching staff being happy if he takes 17-19 shots a game.

    Harden has got the bright green light. We've already seen, if he's shooting 3/17 at the half, he gonna keep chucking it up until its 7/27.
     

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