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Rockets Players need to realize Yao Ming is their best player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by feishen, Nov 22, 2002.

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  1. DCkid

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    3 times. Andre Miller averages 3.3 tos/game and Kidd averages 4.1.
     
  2. jlaw

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    Well, there are different types of turnovers. The ones he made were terrible. Dribbling too much or shooting over three guys and got blocked or 3 seconds violation. These are terrible turnovers. Kidd passes the ball a lot more often. And a lot of times, those guys just couldn't catch the pass.
     
  3. BSW

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    Cuttino's Big donut hole for 8 from the field (at least he only took 8 shots) and Taylor's 2-10 has to be looked at. I don't see the big man offense as the cause.

    Griffin didn't play good either. He hit that first 3 and then only had four points the rest of the game.
     
  4. Stylez

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    Calm down everybody, Ming is NOT our best player right now. He had one outstanding game that we LOST. The game was over after the Mavs went on that run when we tied the game up at 62, not late in the 4th. I do believe Ming is quickly passing up Mobley as our second best player but he is not as good as SF, not now at least. Steve dropped 39 against the Pacers in a lost b/c he was the only player that could really score that night and everyone was ready to trade him. Ming drops 30 in a lost b/c outside of Francis, he was the only one that could score and he's now the best player on the team? Probably not.

    PS: Damn its gonna be nice when Francis, Mobley, Ming, and the rest of the squad starts clicking on ALL cilinders in the second half of the season.
     
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    Great Insight, :rolleyes:. First everybody talks about rookie wall, now sophomore wall, I guess there will be a junor and later senior wall somewhere. Then Yao will get his degree in MVP. Agree that you can't call someone the best player on a team only after a few games in the season. I am talking about potential here. Thats why I and like many others here have been saying about Yao even before he came here to play. I am for one will declare him to be the best player on this team sooner than you thought. I wasn't surprised at all Yao excel so early in the season. The only surprise I have is the rest of the Rox realized it sooner than I thought.
     
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    Nice spin job...you have a good future in politics...
     
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    In that case, I think we need to lose another 40 games before we start to utilize Yao's full potential. Let face it, the big man can play point center. We definitely will excel as a team. Using Yao as the first option only means teamwork, not sure I could say the same for SF. I dont see the logic to wait and see SF to develop his skills as a pg. SF is a 2-guard, dont force him to be something he is not, at least for now. If Yao has a lot to learn to become a point center, so was SF to be a pg. I dont see any shortfalls to include Yao as the first option in offense, probably except the ego of some of his teammates.
     
  8. dwmyers

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    How do I say this? People seem to think that Najera went one on one against Ming and won the battle. Strange, that wasn't the game I saw:

    1. I saw Ming double teamed from the third quarter on. Dirk Nowitski was playing rover whenever Ming would get into the paint. More often than not it was Nowitski in front of him and Najera (or Bradley, he was still in the game in the third) behind.

    2. The double teams didn't stop Ming in the 3rd, for at least the first half of the third.

    3. By the fourth, when Ming -did- get the ball, they would just grab him and send him to the line.

    3. Exhaustion seemed a bigger factor than Najera's play in the 4th. Ming's defense wasn't as crisp as it had been; he seemed exhausted.

    To be honest, if Najera had covered Ming in the second quarter, Ming would have destroyed him as easily as he destroyed Bradley. Ming is that quick.
     
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    dwmyers, amen. Good analyst.
     
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    No disagreement that Yao still has problem with a stronger and much shorter defender. Guess no one can change the laws of physics here, dont I need to bring up the center of gravity here. Canada used that against Ming last summer. But saying Najera schooled Yao in the 4th quarter is an exaggeration. I have to say some of you still like to downplay Yao's skills whenever you could. I dont care how good Mav's zone was in the 4th quarter, Yao only got at most 2 touches was totally unacceptable. You guys kept emphasizing Yao not able to establish the post down low, while neglecting to point out that our guards not able to spread out our offense to make more space for Yao really annoys me. I swear there were at least 3 or 4 incidents when Yao was open down low and asking for the ball, but our guards just kept on dribbling or tried their 1 on 1. Should I say that our guards got schooled last game.
     
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    I think Steve and Yao need each other. There is no best player here. You want something called balance. That's how you baffle your opponents.
     
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    This is like arguing about whether Malone is better than Stockton, or whether Shaq is better than Kobe. It's like fantasy leagues: completely artificial and irrelevant. In the real world, the big guy and the small guy work together on the court as a machine. Yao gets dunks because Francis drives and dishes. Francis gets open shots and clear lanes to the basket because Yao commands double teams. Is one of them better than the other? Wrong question. Each of them is better because of the other.
     
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    Actually to be honest guys - if we are to make the play-offs, we NEED BOTH players Yao and Franchise to both end up being consistent. We need them both to be every team's nightmare. Because Francis can draw the defense and then Yao MUST finish it. And when Yao draws the defense then Franchise NEEDS to FINISH it! Because honestly, if you watched the game last night - the Mavs had 3 STRONG options - Nash, Dirk, and Finley. Right now we have ONE strong option, and one building option. Eddie is slowing growing into it, and when he does then we can have 3 strong options like the Mavs and cause more headaches for the other teams! But despite what happened last night, I DO LIKE what I saw. But I think after the Rox watch their game film, they will see what they can and can't do! I am not going to write them off, we still have 3 more games vs. the Mavs and 72 more games OVERALL! We WILL make the playoffs this year! I CAN SEE IT! Mark MY WORDS!
     
  14. Rocket Addict

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    Yao had difficulty getting the ball in the second half and for good reason. Nelson said the Mavs went to a box and one in the second half to deny Yao the ball. And since the Mavs were in a zone, it's not like you can just lob the ball over Najera's head.

    You have to loosen up a defense like that by slashing to the bucket and hitting open jump shots, which we simply failed to do. The outside jumpers were not going down.

    The next time we play the Mavs, it will likely be a different story.
     
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    hey, you know what this sounds alot like? like the talk that goes on in the laker board, whether shaq or kobe is better. now from what ive read on francis, his desire is to win, not jack up shots. he'll be in houston for a while so thats not his motive. yao and steve together are a great combo, almost shaq and kobesque, this could work if yao plays more games like this (i fricken hope so, an 80% fg over five games is no fluke) i like cat even though he was way off tonight and a little selfish but i think hes a smart guy who works hard (one of the best second round picks in the league) and like yao is still adjusting to the team. whos better? who cares, they are on the same team! steve is one of the most talented pg in the league and yao is starting to prove to be one of the most talented centers. let yao be our first option in the paint, but let steve make that choice and let him mix it up. think shaq and kobe, jordan and pippen, we have the ingredients to win, and we also have cat and grif! we have a solid gem in hawkins and we havent even begun to use nachbar who plays like peja (somewhere on this board someone said we need a peja clone). after this game, i think there was a little selfish play and not much help given to yao in the 4th, but ill go with the benefit of the doubt that the other rockets were either told differently by rudy or were not used to that type of play (a pass). ill admit i was drawn to the rockets because im a huge yao fan but im beginning to like the rest of the team, especially francis. i think once they learn how to play together they can be like the lakers except that they have a much stronger team to go along with them. lets have some fun this year, yeah? and next year lets win.
     
  16. Franchise Cat

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    Once the rockets realize that they must run their offense through Yao they wiil win alot of games.He has to be the first option 75% of the time.The way I see it its like Shaq and and all the other great centers if you go through them first it causes instant problems for the defense who then have to send a double team and if you move and cut Yao wiil give it back.With all the good shooters we have who is the defense going to leave.We won two championships with this type of basketball.yao is ahead of curve on offense once he gets it on defense and the rest of the team realizes what it has this team will great.As in the case with shaq and Kobe,Steve is our best player but Yao is the most dominant.It`s up to Rudy T. to get the team to believe it.
     
  17. Yetti

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    Francis is the Rox best player for now! HE NEEDS TO PLAY LIKE THAT IN EVERY GAME! THE LAST THREE GAMES HAVE NOT BEEN THAT OF A GREAT LEADER! ALSO HIS ONE ON ONE DEFENCE LEAVES SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED. I have been saying for three months that this Team will evolve into a Center dominated Team and I still hold to that,but its got to be a natural evolution! Yao Ming can't have leadership thrust upon him, I know that even when he is the dominent Rox player that the Team Leader will be Steve Francis. GO Franchise/Dynasty!
     
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    Yao was our best in the battle yet we still lost the war.

    Contrary to what I have posted before, I don't believe that Cuttino is a good fit anymore. I think that he is a good player but needs to be somewhere where he can get most of the offensive attention. This is Steve and Yao's team, two talented players that can take us back to the promised land, and although we aren't as good as Dallas or Sac or the Lakers or San Antonio yet, it's gonna be one hell of a ride.
     
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    Who is the best player in the team? Steve Francis
    Who create the most mismatch? Yao ming
    to win a basketball game, you have to start with the mismatch :D
    pass Yao the ball first, see how other team react, if Yao is single covered, let him eat other center out, if he is doulbe or tripled, pass out to Steve for easy score.
     

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