Rockets offering Scola, Ariza and Battier in sign-and-trades for Bosh or Amar'e

Huh. He was 43%, 39% from 3pt the last 2 months. That's a TS% of about Brooks.

 

yeah if we were somehow able to not give up picks then i would be all for it. but i have no clue why toronto would agree to that deal without picks.

 

Trevor is just fine. Martin's arrival took a lot of pressure off him and he no longer had to create his own shot or for his teammates.

The last 3 months of the season, Trevor's 3 point shooting was as follows:
Feb- .421
March- .346
Apr- .439

After Martin's arrival, Trevor's shot attempts went down from around 14+ for every month to start the season, down to under 12 shots per game for the last 3 months, but his points per game stayed about the same.

He also chipped in about 1.5 steals per game, over 4 rebounds per game, and over 4 assists per game. This is where his true value lies. He can be a Battier/Horry type who can do a little bit of everyhing while playing solid D.

It's no wonder that his all around game and young age combined with his cheap contract makes him one of the most sought after players on the Rockets, according to Morey.

 

We don't want Barnes. There's a reason he gets paid 1 mil and bounces around from team to team.

 

True. But that's just speculation for now. The important thing is we get Bosh to play for us because that gives us a window of opportunity to even sign other big time players. With Bosh and Yao, players such as Melo and CP3 would really be interested playing in Houston, IMO.

 

He had a triple double on the last game of the season to boot. I really like Trevor, he was holding his matchups to 40% efg earlier in the season before he defense began to slip. I still think he has the potential to be a lockdown defender for us, not vintage Battier level but good enough.

If we do this trade look at our backcourt: Brooks, Martin, and Bud. Neither are exactly committed to the defensive end.

Who is going to guard the Kobe's and the Carmelo's?

 

DD

80% of players after that passed the rookie contract are overpaid (in my opinion)

It is not you that say who is overpaying, and should you, it is the market that screw GM´s that don´t want to pay for talent, just look at Gortat, overpaid player (specially being a backup), and still Orlando matched the offer, there is no 2nd scenario, or ether you overpay, or you get screwed, why does the Grizzlies overpay for Gay(between other examples)??? Because that is the only way to maintain above average talent, because the market(teams with money) make you overpay

NBA is not only about skill, in fact NBA is not only about what you do, if your goal is to be the best player, you go to a team full of scrubs, and average 30 plus per game and be a HOF, if you want to win, you go to a talented team, full of GREAT ROLE PLAYERS, plus another star to win.

I don´t know who is going to be better, it has so many variables, that I can´t predict, and for me Career/skill, is not about stats, If I want to know who is better is see them both play, in-fact Budinger has everything to be like Ariza, if he want to be better then Ariza, he has to be a scorer in half-court offense, when the team is locked on you, because scoring in transition, when you are as athletic as CBud or Ariza is easy, and that is where, you "CAN" say that Budinger has more mid-range/dribbling game then Ariza

Will he be more efficient then Ariza??? only time will tell

My question to you DD, is how many do you think Cbud will earn when he gets is 2nd contract??? Not less then Ariza, and that is why Ariza is not overpayed, comparing of course to what the league is paying, because that is what determines what overpaying is

PeAcE

 

some of you are ridiculous, ariza is over payed? by no means, you realize the lakers offered him the same contract and he turned it down? their is a reason is he are most coveted asset other than probably brooks and it is not because he is over payed.

the juror is not out by any means, he struggled at the beginning of the year when coach thought he could replace t-mac. they asked him to shoot whenever he felt like it, drive to the basket and try and set up open shots for teammates, that didnt work, but what do you expect for someone making the mle. he is a good defender with the athleticism to get some easy dunks and who has the potential to hit over 45% from 3pt land, he's dont it before in the playoffs against great teams.

barnes is better? smhhh thats why he has been on like 10 different teams and no has felt the need to keep him around. watch some basketball, dude couldnt hit a lay up in the playoffs. im tired of the offense being a blackhole when battier gets the ball, he has one in 10 games where he hits like four 3pointers in a row. Battier can't cut to the rim, he cant hit a 17fter. Remember the spurs last year with bowen, yeah that didnt work out to well for them. Battier will be a situational player very soon, maybe event his year.

If you guys are fine with our perimeter continuously getting lit up and having yao ming contest shot after shot it will only be a matter of time before hes broken another leg. In other words we need perimeter defenders, we have to protect yao as much as we can and the only way to do that is keeping our man in front of us, which i dont think c bud can do, and im not sure how long shane can do either.

 

Sorry but - I have not gone back thru the total Thread so my question is: has anyone done the arithmetic? Scola + Ariza + Battier = Bosh + Hedo (or Calderon).

That appears to be the 'offer'. If I'm Raps I am whispering loudly in CB4s ear, 'Houston...Houston.' But am I, as a Rox fan, singing the same song?

 

You know, I was wondering about this earlier last season. He clearly is below average at dribbling. Could an offseason dedicated to improving his dribbling skills not have some impact? If I were him I'd try and make something happen there. Maybe he looks at it like you do and has just said "screw it"?

 

Hadnt seen anyone mention this but what about Mike Miller? He is old but for the 5th option a guy that shoots 46% and 40%from 3 would be nice. Hes old and slow but wouldnt need him to do too much with our bench power. Also what about Patterson he can slide to the 3 are they grooming him for that spot? I say hiim before Cbud because I think he will be a better defender his rookie season than Bud in his Sophmore.

@DD your crazy Ariza > Barnes all day, Barnes has an attitude problem he is much older and = epic fail in the semis against Boston.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Taylor
M. Miller/Budinger/Patterson/Jefferies
Bosh/Hill/Patterson/Andersen
Yao/Bosh/Miller/Hill/Hayes

 

I also would like to say i think this proposal is bull, first scola has to agree to a sign and trade first, and what if he signs an offer sheet with someone else that the suns or raps dont want to commit too.

If scola doesnt consent, what are the rules about matching an offer sheet and then trading the player to another team.

 

1) Teflon Shane once again being over-respected on C-Fans when his best defensive years are well behind him.

2) Ariza was over-valued from the get-go. Most NBA players can hit wide open shots when a defense is trying to cover Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Odom. Anyone see Farmar or Shannon Brown getting full MLE's like Ariza did?

3) Getting athlete's (C-Bud, Martin, Jordan Hill, possibly Patterson and definitely Bosh or Amare) to buy into playing Team D is much easier than getting Battier and Hays to score.

4) Everyone's D improves with a 7'6" man standing behind them. The Rockets aren't going to the WCF with Battier and Hayes (and Ariza) but w/o Yao. Might as well get a talent infusion.

5) Funny how there's so much ranting about the loss of Rockets' D and no virtually no recognition of how much offensive punch they have now that they've finally learned how to spell "up tempo".

6) Hey Amare...wanna watch a track meet between Nash, Grant Hill, and Lopez vs Brooks, Lowry, Martin, C-Bud, and Hill?

 

don't know if anybody asked and i don't wanna read all 15 pages.
my question is. how do we trade scola when he's a RFA.
thanks.

 

Scola would have to agree to a sign-and-trade. In other words, we would have to sign him and immediately trade him, but he would have to agree to both.

 

This deal would like inlcude Battier OR Ariza, not both.

 

I say we trade one of them, and then go after Mike Miller with the MLE.

 

The salary numbers seem to indicate that. Scola has to be worth at least 8-9 mill. If that's the case, which one do you keep? Which one does Toronto want?

 

Don't be surprised if it DOES include both.

 

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