Rockets offering deal to Brent Barry (also updates on Landry, Horry)

That is correct.We can't trade until we get value back.I didn't like the idea of including Luis for Mike Miller or for Hayes and him for a 1,2/3 because I feel Landry is not good enough by himself and Dorsey is unproven right now.

We need to ADD talent,which is the hardest thing of all. I may appear panicky, but I don't think we are a certainty for the 2nd round despite our 22 game winning streak with a healthy team.

The best we can hope for IMO is for some team to give us a "3rd star" who fits the team for expiring contracts,1st rounders and a combo of either Luis/or a healthy Landry and/or an improving Brooks/Greene. That is not an easy decision to make.

 

What can we honestly offer them for Childress? Jackson/Brooks?

 

True, but that doesn't hide the fact that he couldn't do anything when we needed him to pick up his game.

 

Childress likes to play close to the basket. He's exactly like a poor man's Shawn Marion in that he likes to do a little bit of everything, score some and basically be the team garbageman. He prefers to post up, clean the glass and occasionally will step out for a corner three.

For those fantasizing about Childress (keyword: fantasize since we cannot attain him) you have to understand he's not a perimeter player on offense. Defensively, he'll guard whoever (and well, might I add) but offensively he lurks near the basket, works the baseline and takes advantage of whatever opportunities come his way.

Childress shot nearly 60% from the field. As we evidenced with this year with Landry doing the same, in order for a player to be that efficient you almost have to play close to the basket.

 

Thirded. Let's just name a few of the back-up 2's for the top 4 playoff teams shall we?

Boston - Posey
Detroit - Stuckey
LA - Vujacic (Kobe didn't come out much but when he did, Vujacic was usually at the 2)
San Antonio - Manu/Finley depending on how you look at it. And Barry.

Although I would say that backup SG is not more important than backup PG, and probably equally important as whoever else gets significant minutes at any position. The difference for the Rockets is that our backup SG was a freaking SIEVE. The whole in our backup-shooting-guard bucket was so big that it wasn't a bucket, it was a funnel. With an abnormally large nozzle. Like some kind of fat water-hose.

 

I was thinking of Alston and change, but I was looking at their roster and they have a lot of 1's, so I don't know if they would be interested. The Hawks could use Landry, but I don't know if we would be interested.

 

Carl Landry CANNOT be signed and traded. It is not permitted under the collective bargaining agreement since the Rockets will likely be using a portion of the MLE.

 

Childress has a very slow release and he only takes 3 pointers where he is wide open and can set his feet completely. That's why he takes so few shots.

 

pbthunder- I understand the concern and the lack of panic, but I want to parralel this team to the 05, 06 Miami Heat. Follow me on this one.

2005 Miami pulled off the blockbuster trade for shaq. They trade 2 of their promising players in butler and odom, but still had an ermerging star in wade and solid guys like Haslem, Jones, d. jones, to name a few. The Heat played well during the regular season and playoffs with Shaq-Wade combo. Then in the conference finals against the defending champs a couple of injuries pop up to the shaq-wade combo. With those 2 guys hobbled a little eddie and damon jones are asked to do more to make up the difference. None of their role guys had been significant as offensive options in over 5 yrs for Eddie and ever for damon and haslem. The heat lost and were left wondering.

Recognizing the role players couldn't raise up a notch, riley let jones go to the cavs, traded jones for posey and j williams, and signs walker and payton. What he did was infuse guys that had the ability to go up a notch or get a shot without Shaq or Wade. What also happened is they knew if wade or shaq is hobbled, they can get their " I'm the man" swagger going. Well in the playoffs with a hobbled shaq, it was someone different every game . Eventhough Shaq wasn't dominate, he was a presence, but the role players along with wade made it happen. One night it was white chocolate dropping 22, the next game it was toine looking like the old all star. One night Zo was looking like the former defensive player of the yr, the next is payton doing his thing or posey being a thorn in the side of the opponet. Needless to say they got the ring.

I know the story was long, but it brings me to this, the rox don't have to make big time changes in the starting lineup, but get some guys on the bench that can go from role player to secondary or tertiary type players. They hve enough try hard,play hard overacheivers, but go get a guy like Ricky Davis or Tim Thomas that the talent to uplift ur stars if they're struggling ot hobbles.

 

FYI channel 2 sports sunday said Barry would decide in the next 24-48 hrs

we need to sign him and resign Landry then we can look at trades and then if we are going to sign Horry or resign Deke to vet min

 

Morey seems to have a good head on his shoulders. What he did at the draft was classic, but to me, what I remember is the Aaron Brooks pick. Morey didn't have that much of a reputation when he got here, but he didn't go after the safe pick. He picked up somebody nobody was looking at. If he had blown it, everybody would have been on him. It takes patience to be a trader, to let deals pass until what you're waiting for comes along. You don't have to hit a home run every time out; just get a little bit better with every trade.

People here want him to get rid of Head yesterday, for anything. Head has value. Not a great deal, but he's worth something. Morey's not going to move him until he finds a deal he likes. I like this guy.

The Vince Carter stuff is exactly what I'm talking about. He can help in the short run, but really, taking him on would hurt the team more in the out years than he would help in the first couple of years. You have to be very, very careful about making deals like that.

Dallas' trade of Devin Harris (and then some) for Jason Kidd is exactly what I don't want to see. Dallas was close, and now they're kind of re-loading, though not starting completely over. But, they've gone backwards since making the Finals. They had lots of value just sitting on their bench a few years ago.

Oops!

 

I didn't point out Rafer's name because it would leave us with Jackson,Brooks
and SF.

 

If Childress was signed and traded to the Rocks and Alston was involved, I would assume we'd be looking to pick up a starting point in another deal.

 

Yes,but who could we get that would be at least his equal if not better for a reasonable price? Any suggestions?

 

Not off the top of my head, but there are about a dozen threads around here discussing that subject. If we could manage a trade, Hinrich and Mo Williams would be substantial upgrades, IMO. If we got Childress (one or two other wings are possibilities), Battier might be considered a possible trade piece. He has real value to the right team. Of course, he has real value to the Rockets. I don't consider Alston to be the player we should have as our starting point guard. If we could keep him and have him run the second unit, great, but if we can move him and end up improving that position, even better.

 

hey,buddy,don't forget we still got 2 young man--Dorsey&Green.So what did we get,both athletic and experience.

 

Hey we could get Head to run the point

 

Dallas was in a win now mode. They felt that they were real close and made the move they thought would take them to the next level. They brought in J Kidd because they felt he was the missing link. But their mistake was that they gave up two key pieces(Harris, Diop) to get him. You have to take a chance and be willing to lose in order to win.

If we(Houston) can get VC without giving up our core players would be great. Any combo of Jackson, Head, Hayes, Landry, Brooks and picks should be used to get him. No one on this board can convince me that VC is not better than any combo of those guys right now. Maybe(and a big maybe) this will hurt us in the future, but are we trying to win now or are we satisfied with being in the middle of the pack in the West and having 1st rd exits every year.

I don't see this current roster winning anything. Alot of you are saying wait until trade deadline, but if you can make a deal now do it. That way by the trade deadline everyone should be on the same page. Why wait and then have to add a guy who will have to learn the system and try to mesh with the other players. I'd rather add that guy now, cause we got lucky last year that BJax knew the system.

 

Problem is, NJ isn't going to give up VC for a bag of peanuts.

And that's all the Rockets can really offer.

 

What do you consider Wally Szczerbiak then?

It's not like Thorn considered Wally World because he wants shooting or anything.