Rockets offering deal to Brent Barry (also updates on Landry, Horry)

How often though are the backup 2s the ones who make a difference for a contending team? It seems like pretty often. Just look at Posey and other lesser known (by me right now) players.

It's pretty easy to peg Luther for the last 2 years of playoff failures. We didn't get blown out, we were out-shot. We don't get out-defended. Our stars didn't disappear. Our support failed massively.

Head wasn't even below average. He was pathetic. He is unquestionably the number one trade bait we all would dangle. I haven't read one person saying "let's hang on to Head".

 

Boston Celtics!
Those are the two words I will give you. Look at there bench. Eddie House, P.J Brown and James Posey. Veteran role players who came to play in the clutch. They stepped up.
We don't need youth. We need veterans for the playoffs with a good blend of youth. We have Landry, and you can consider Scola young. We just drafted Donte Greene and Joey Dorsey.

 

When I said Posey was just as good or better than Battier, I was called names. When I said way back in december while PJ Brown was chillin at home he needed to be on the rox because of his defense, legnth, toughness, I was told they young guys will be ok. Adding posey, brown, house and barry types are fine if u already have the horses. The Rockets don't have the horses. Posey helped the celts win because he's tough, long, can defend multiple spots and is willing to take and make big shots. Posey really helped when Allen was in a funk, but when allen was able to play at his regular season level, posey was gravy. PJ Brown was able to stay in his limits because KG was doing his thing for the most part. House has always been a great shooter and he helped pick it up when rondo wasn't, but if house was asked to do it every game, he couldn't do it.

I don't want people to misunderstand what I'm saying. Veterans are good to have once the team is ready to contend and finish. This team isn't that. In the playoffs, neither of those veteran guys will be that 3rd guy. If the rox had the 3rd guy, Rafer,shane, or scola could be that 4th,5th,6th type guy. That's the problem. The role that the rox ask those guys to play is the problem. They ask bench and rotation guys to be the near all star type of player. If Allen wasn't there and posey was forced to be that guy the rox ask shane or rafer to be, the lakers would be champs. The order and role of the other starters is the problem, not the role guys.

 

If the Rocks were considering signing Posey for MLE money, I'd rather they threw that money at Josh Childress. He's restricted and scheduled to talk with the Sixers. I doubt that the Hawks would pay that much for Childress to keep him. Upside for Childress re Posey? A much younger player who would be starting for a lot of teams, but plays in a crowded position for the Hawks and has to come off the bench. A better 3 point shooter than Posey during a shorter career. Shot .492% from Downtown 2 seasons ago. Has a hell of a lot of potential, while Posey has reached his. Has a much better FG %, is a better rebounder (not by a lot, but he's better), and a much better shot blocker. Also a decent passer. Fits the "long, athletic wing who can defend and score" description that we're looking for, but unlike Posey, wouldn't be on the downside of his career towards the end of his contract. And like Posey, an excellent defender, who could let the Rocks think about moving our best trading piece, Battier, for a high quality player(s)... a point guard (I hope!) and maybe a backup 5.

Just some thoughts.

 

I agree whole heartedly. I'm really disappointed that the guys we're targeting are guys like Brent Barry and James Posey. I'd rather Posey than Barry, but still... Childress is the guy I've wanted to see them go after. Even if they fail, I just think it's worth a try.

 

The Rockets have the horses. Sure, I would like them to get better if they can, but not by making any risky trades.

They won 22 games in a row. That, frankly, is impossible to do. I'm still not sure how they did that, but it wasn't luck. Take what they learned that enabled them to do that, add a healthy Yao, maybe a healthy Rafer, and they had as good a shot as anybody to win it all last year.

They could have beat Utah last year. Just a healthy Rafer, and a non-call on a Utah flop at the end of game 2 (1?), and they should have won. And again, throw Yao into the mix...

I don't see how a team that wins 22 games in a row, without Yao, doesn't have the horses. I just don't.

 

This Rockets team is already better than last year and as you stated so well... WE WON 22 IN A ROW!. Of course there is always room for improvement and yes if a good opportunity presents itself we should jump on it, but we already have the horses to win it all. Of course Don't waste your time with idiots. They will never see a different point of view. But don't

 

My guess is the Hawks will keep Childress if he goes for around 6-7. For 8 and above he's headed to Philly, GSW, or whoever has the cap space to do that.

 

Absolutely Love Josh Childress and could you imaginge he and Yao in the lineup at the same time ? Block City !!!! How bout Deke, Childress and Yao on the floor at the same time ....lol.. Seriously, I like the guy !!

 

You can say what u want, but 2 game 7 blowouts says something as well as a game 7 loss at home when none of the role players did squat. Any way you cut it, when the defense tilts and play physical to yao, they don't have another player to make them pay. I'm not saying they need artest, it could be williams, hinrich, Harrington I don't care. Thinking scola,rafer,battier,barry or landry will step up is unrealistic. That's getting those guys out of their comfort zone. In the playoffs, that's what good teams do, they make those 4th and 5th types and pusj them up the ladder. Well if you've never been the man on a team or ever been a 2nd guy on a team, getting pushed up like that leads to the results like we've seen. I hate to keep bringing this up, but maybe its the only understanding people have. Aside from Yao,Tracy, and Jackson, the rox don't have a guy that has ever avg 15 ppg for a singular season. If u really put it in context, Jackson has done it in 4 yrs. What does that mean? No one can take advantage of tilted coverage because they have never done it in the nba. That's why people were surprised when Allen was struggling. People aren't surprised when Battier,Rafer, or any other besides Yao and Tracy struggles. No natural scorer's and if u noticed, the rox hit a drought in the playoffs scoring and the team lose. If they get that guy, he can balance up and keep the team out of the drought. Barry isn't it and neither is Horry. Evans isn't either, but if u have you mind made up, we'll see.

 

I think you have Josh Childress mixed up with Josh Smith...

 

Good points. I don't think anyone is an idiot for having a different point of view but I don't think we are in a position to leap forward. Only time will tell what will happen.

 

Do you think Atlanta would keep him if it cost the MLE? That would surprise me, and I'd also be surprised if a team offered Childress more than the MLE..

 

I'm basing my guess on what players like Harpring, Kapono, and Carroll got. All agreed to contracts starting at under 7M, above than the MLE.

Childress doesn't have their 3pt shooting but as a 6th man his FG% puts him ahead. In the last 3 seasons Childress' FG% hasn't dipped under 50%.

 

Josh Smith to the rockets? oh my lord... I can only dream

 

I wish we could get him in a sign and trade. Atlanta couldn't use some depth at point guard?

 

I think that Childress is easily worth full MLE money. He is one of the most underrated players in the league. He can a little bit of everything.

My hope is that a team like Golden State or Philly offers a TON of money for Josh Smith and then the Hawks match. This will make it less likely that Atlanta would match an MLE offer sheet for Childress from the Rockets. Of course, if the Hawks hold onto Smith, then GSW and Philly might offer Childress more than the MLE, knowing that Atlanta likely won't match an offer sheet that high.

Childress would be an ideal sixth man backing up T-Mac and Battier and also allowing the Rockets to go small with all three in the lineup.

 

quoted for its truth. i agree wholeheartedly.

 

I am trying to figure out why Childress shot so few 3s if he has a decent stroke from long range (as indicated by his 3pt %-- even if his .492 from long range a few years ago was a fluke, he still got 36% last season).

As for Luther's playoff shooting, rarely is a spot-up shooting role-player's shooting % in a short series a reflection of the player's shooting ability. It's most often a matter of how open he is as a result of whether the offense was forcing the defense to leave him open. Put Luther on a team with Garnett, Alle, and Pierce and he'll get open more often and shoot a higher %.

Of course, there is a matter of luck, too. When you play just 6 games, it's pretty easy to have your 3pt % look bad.

 

1) A lot of people here think that, since we lose in round one every year, we probably will this year, too. Well, last year's team, and this year's, aren't those same teams! For one thing, those other teams didn't win 22 games in a row! For another, people always put Tracy down for not stepping up in the playoffs, but he did last year. Also, we had a whole new coach. The team played pretty good defense, and improved the offense. I will take one thing from the last several years, and that is that Yao and Tracy have gotten injured a lot. I'll have my fingers crossed on that one, at least as far as the playoffs are concerned.

2) The Rockets don't seem to be panicking. Of course, they could do a 5-for-6 trade tomorrow, but they don't seem to be shopping Tracy, for instance. To put it simply, the Rockets don't seem NEARLY as panicky as most of the posters here.

Hey, I'm cool with getting a third scorer. I was pushing for including Scola in a trade for Mike Miller. I thought we had an extra player at the 4 before we got Dorsey. I'd pull the trigger on Scola and Hayes for a really good 1, 2, or 3, ASSUMING WE GOT VALUE BACK. I'm just saying, we don't need to act out of desperation; we don't need to make a trade where we don't get value back.