Great WB, you're right, Mobley will always get burned on the defensive end with all the tall shooting guards out there. SA needs to be a 6th man because that is how he was effective in Utah! He provides energy off the bench, so does C-Los, thats why i want him back to! But anyways, we need SA, but not for too much dough. Him and TRock could defend the Kobes of the NBA.
If oeilpere is stating a final salary offer, then that is <b>$3.84 starting salary</b> at maximum 12.5% raises for an Early Bird. But at 10% raises, that is a more elegant <b>$4m start</b>. This looks to be right on with Mobley money.
I can live with that. Obviously Shandon was insane if he expected to be payed more than Mobley does. Sounds like a reasonable amount for a 6th man (I still have doubt about his willingness to play that role, though), specially as we all know that Cuttino is underpaid. With that amount we wouldn't have any trouble trading him in the future if he starts complaining again or package him with other players for our immediate needs at the 5 either. How's our cap situation if he is signed by those numbers? How much free space we have left?
I would like to sign Anderson to a 4 year, $20 million contract. I view that as fair. The guy IS a defensive stopper, and yes, sometimes, he can score. He's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be, and he can be a great role player. While I agree that we would be better served using the money for a center, Anderson is due for a payday. It's his time. Show him the money. I just want CD to add a very small legal line to the bottom of the contract that reads: "I am okay and perfectly content with not starting for the Houston Rockets. I will not whine or demand a trade. I will not be jealous of Mobley. I promise to not be a detriment to the team in any way, shape, or form. If my behavior runs contrary to the terms outlined in this agreement, the Rockets have my permission to trade me to the worst team in the league."
crispee-12.5% is only for LBR. I could live with a 4 mill base. This is BELOW the average salary. If OP is right, we'll know if the Rockets have big plans for their cap space this year, by what they do with Shandon. They can delay him, and have an extra 1.14 mill at their disposal before signing him. OP-Do you have any idea how far away Moochie is?
No, both Qualifying Veteran Free Agents and Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents get it. If not, then you better tell realGM.com, because they have Mobley at 12.5% raises. I looked it up this time before posting....lol!
5 years $24 million is incredibly fair. That puts his entire salary (including compensation for underpayment for the previous 2 seasons) at less than $4 million per year. As long as he's happy with a 20 minute/game backup role at the 2 and the 3 (barring injuries), then it was a good signing.
VesceySux, LOL! on the fine print. NIKEStrad, btw: I don't like the LBR acronymn. When did we start using that? There are two types of Bird Rights: isn't FBR and EBR more accurate for Full Bird and Early Bird?
oops, you're right. Not quite sure why I'm thinking 10%. From Article VII, Section 5 (2) The following rules apply to all Players Contracts between Qualifying Veteran Free Agents or Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents and their Prior Team: (i) For each Season of a Player Contract after the first Season, the player’s Salary, excluding Incentive Compensation, may increase or decrease in relation to the previous Season’s Salary, excluding Incentive Compensation, by no more than 12.5% of the Regular Salary for the first Season of the Contract. don't mind me...just wanted to quote some actual CBA. (for those wondering where I got this, go to www.nbpa.com). FBR would be more technically correct than LBR. I'll start using that instead.
Wow. Unless OP is piping garbage into this thread -- as if -- CD is a ninja. That is jack-squat for Shandon. And all you Shandon-haters are going to eat crow when dude provides the calm and cool that this squad is going to need, knocks down big shots, and plays some serious D. Seriously, with Hakeem gone, the most mature one of the bunch currently under contract is Stevie, and he is like 15 years old. This team needs Shandon skills-wise and leasership-wise. He is a fill-in-the-gaps guy, not a i'll-get-mine guy, and teams need that. And if Pops' numbers are correct, CD is a double-ninja for getting all teary-eyed about Hakeem. What BS! I love it! Holy cow, we WERE lowballing that 43-year-old freak of nature...and I do not want all the Hakeem-at-all-costs guys piling on about disloyalty, either. We made a decent offer, but it was not the best-best-best we could do if these Mo and Shandon contracts are any indication. Are we going to have to pay Moochie 9 million or something? Seems a little odd, though, that we could come out of Shandon and Mo negotiations without getting (D)reamed, but somehow could not have tacked on a couple million for Hakeem. Hilarious, CD! Maybe Fegan knew it all along... I actually do not get how these sinchy contract negotiations dovetail with the "Rock and a hard place / we need more cap space for Hakeem" stuff the Rockets were talking about. CBFC
Guys, I think Shandon is getting paid for taking less to come here, not for what he's done in the past. If the implied 'wink-wink' deal really did happen, then we are tied to giving him what was implied earlier. Otherwise, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot with future free agents. So far the Rockets have taken care of everyone that has taken less to play here. This is just another example. IMHO, Shandon is not worth the contract that's being discussed. But I'm all for paying him if it means that possibly another sought-after free agent chooses to accept less money to play for us. Besides, it's not like he's Matt Maloney.
Capologists, We still have to wait on Moochie, but based on this new info, where does this put us in regard to cap room next year? As far as I can tell, the only free agent we have to worry about next year on our present roster is Langhi. Anyone have an idea what our cap room for next year is looking like with no further additions, factoring out Moochie?
I will be happy if he just hits his ******* open jumpers... big shots are too much to ask for. How about improving his handles too? I'm not a Shandon hater, he is getting his market value, it's not a steal for the Rockets are some are making it out to be Hmmmmmm. That's one way of putting. Me? I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Maybe it has something to do with those big name oeilpere hinted at. CD and RT are not done yet, and that cap probably has purpose. Wait and see. I don't believe for a second they were lowballing Dream just to make him leave. The Rockets are a worse team without Hakeem. If they didn't offer more, they have something up their sleeves, bet on it. EVERYONE around here was scared to death that with Hakeem gone Shandon and Mo would split our remaining cap in half and that we would be left out in the cold. Such has not proven to be the case. Something's up.
According to all numbers commonly agreed upon around these parts, we still have quite a bit of caproom THIS SUMMER if Shandon takes that contract and Bullard will accept the vet's minimum of $1.3m. Under those circumstances, we will have $7.1m to spend BEFORE signing Shandon and Bullard....they can wait until we spend all our cap room to get their's....and that would make CD a "triple ninja." Reread the article posted in this thread for an explanation (both Bullard and SA can sign after going over the cap). No one can really answer your question about next summer without first waiting to see if we shop the league with that $7.1m. If we don't, we likely will have cap room next summer (cause Walt's contract expires). If we do use it, we likely won't have cap room, or much to brag about, in any event. Of course, speculation about next summer is somewhat futile until we hear what the salary cap figure estimates will be for next year.
Woaaaaah there, fellas. That 5 year, $24 million number has not been confirmed. Don't treat it as such. This is all still speculative at best. Let's deal with unsubstantiated rumors as flights of fancy and fiction, not fact. Don't overreact (or in this case, underreact). For all we know, Shandon could be getting the max. Last I checked, his agent was still Fegan. "Show me your 'Oh!' face!"
Shandon will NOT get more than Mobley which means that 5 year, $24 million deal is in the right ballpark. If Fegan thinks Anderson is getting the maximum from ANYONE, I want some of what he's smoking!
610 said a few minutes ago that the Rockets and Shandon were close on a 5 year deal worth "between 25 and 30 million" Thinking how this jibes with crispee's mathematics of 4 mill with 10% increases=24 mill, I'd venture to say that the 4 mill this year is pretty set, and they're just fooling around with options, raises in some of the years, etc. I fully expect Shandon's signing to be delayed while the Rockets explore their options, if they haven't already.
