Yeah, but that works both ways, because you could say that about Yao also. His impact also goes beyond the stats when you consider how Yao's presence helps on the defensive end, and how he can get his teammates open shots because of the attention that he attracts on offense. I guess it all comes down to how much you value consistency in an MVP candidate. So in everybody's opinion, what's better, "always good" or "sometimes great and other times not so great?" That's the $64,000 question. Or actually the $ .02 question, because that's all we're kicking in.
i would certainly have to say JJ for most surprising player of the year for us especially playing like 40 minutes a game. But without Yao our defense would have been mediocre and our offense would have been chaos.
i voted for yao. he hasn't been as consistent sure, but jim jackson never reached yao's level during yao's best stretches, and i think he had enough of them to be team mvp. the last month when he struggled might have tainted people's opinion of his season. if we're going playoffs it's without question been steve.
JJ is the best combination of ability + smartness: he knows how to play OFF Yao (smart)and has the ability to make play. Mark Jackson might be smarter but his ability has deteriorated too much for him to do what he wants to do. in PO, I think both Steve and Cat play off Yao better... Yao might have not made all the plays 1) due to his limitation, or not allowed due to DT/TT..but he has the threat and thus opposing team's defense focus. So who do you think is the MVP?
Jimmy Jackson is the M.V.P. of the Rockets, but during the offseason the Rockets will be improving their bench. So we have alot to look forward too, besides watching the game tommorow.
Can someone please define MVP for me? I just don't get how you can say JJ is the most valuable player on our team. Just think about it for just a second. When we were beating up on all the good teams, who was the one killing the stat sheets? When we lost 5 in a row in April, whose stat was down? If JJ was the MVP, he could have willed us to victory in one of those games. Sadly, he is not that great of a player to take everything on his shoulder and boost the team to victory. JJ's contribution will be the same day in day out yet when yao does bad in games, what is our propability of winning? That means that Yao is much more VALUABLE than JJ. Our wins and losses does not change much by JJ's performances. That is why he is a good ROLE player not the most valuable player on the team. I guess since yao did not do that good in april people tend to look down on him. I guess in the end everybody has a different definition of MVP. Some say the most consistent, some will say the one who was a surprise, etc.... In the end, I still think yao is the MVP but it is okay if you don't think so.
before i even read this thread i knew people would be all over jj. geez. exactly, if you simply ignore the stats, all logic, what happened on the court, and plus/minus stats then you can see how someone would pick jj. if you live in the real world, you can't see how anyone would pick someone other than yao or steve (and really just yao). picking jj means you either: a) hate steve and yao b) are voting with your heart and not your head (i.e. jj grew on you due to his surprising contribution and you're ignoring actual contribution) c) are acting moronically and illogically or d) you are related to jj 80% of jj's offense came from wide open shots generated by other people. it certainly was good that he hit lots of 3's, but that ain't the heavy lifting. in terms of defense, cat was better than jj and also hit lots of 3's and was an even better overall contributor to the offense. he also never lacked for effort. as for consistency, jj had plenty of 1-8 and 2-10's mixed in with 5-6 and 8-10's, sometimes even on back to back nights. nevertheless, he was fairly steady. but then again, consistency doesn't equal contribution and value. steve and yao were our two most important people to have on the court, no matter what shortcomings they may have, and it shows in their net plus/minus stats. steve had a 6.3 net +/- and yao had a 6.1. jj had a 2.8. you can either pick between steve and yao and since it seems fairly clear yao had the better year you pick yao. end of story. yao steve cat jj is the correct order.
WTF?? The season is not over. What if someone carries us through whatever is left of the playoffs? Just then you would want to change your vote. What gives?
no, it means many here recognize that jj is the glue that holds this team together. it is his manner of playing rather than his stats that make him valuable. he maximizes his game and sets an example to the others how to play selflessly. nobody is saying that if they were starting a basketball team that they would take jj over yao, stevie or cat, they just recognize him as the coach on the floor that this team needs so badly.
Perfectly put and I think that is what JJ has brought to the table this year and that is what makes him so valuable, IMHO.
Regardless of how you try to spin it,you're saying that a strong roleplayer is more important to our team then the center of our offense and defense. You say that JJ is the glue, which I'd say he was, but that glue is worthless without something to adhere to. Yao is this team and nobody that plays off of him is better than he is. Thats like saying Ginobilli is the MVP of the Spurs over Duncan, which is ridiculous.
dude, i was responding directly to francis for prez's assertion that there was no logical reason anyone should vote jj as mvp. also, you are the one doing the spinning. you are comparing ginobili to jj and indirectly, yao to duncan. duncan is clearly the man with the spurs, there is no argument that can be made against this. spurs have 2 titles, duncan's the 2-time reigning mvp of the league and leads a mature team where everyone's role is clearly defined. the same cannot be said of yao.
Their roles on their respective teams are the same aren't they? Duncan and Yao are the first options and everyone revolves around them...thats a fact regardless of how many titles or MVPs Duncan has won. I didn't spin anything. Spinning is saying that JJ is more important to the Rockets than Yao is(MVP) simply because he contributed less, but did it more consistently.
