When you opened my post and navigated to the link, you'll notice that you can re-run the analysis based on single season. If you want to compare Spanoulis, age 24 ("more NBA-ready than Sam Cassell!" - guess what great basketball mind said that?) with Lowry age 20, please go ahead. http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=spanova01&y1=2007&p2=lowryky01&y2=2007
Having watched both Lowry and Spanoulis play, I would say that DD is right insofar as their playing styles and strengths and weaknesses (3-point shooting) are similar to some extent. Spanoulis never played enough so that one could really say one is as good or better than the other, but I think the comparison in terms of playing style is not way off.
I know I am right, but I also knew that it would bother those people that don't want to admit that a player they bashed is similar to one they are now admiring. Fun times. DD
The one that was bashed couldn't get off an NBA bench. The one we admire was the most important player for the Rockets last year, in Morey's own words. Just because Steve Novak plays a similar style of game to Dirk doesn't mean I will be confusing the two anytime soon. Their styles may or may not have been similar, but Lowry the player is nothing like VSpan the player. One is in the NBA and the other is not.
If you are giving 25-year-old V-Span (after his terrible rookie year) "room to grow" into a Lowry-type player, then you have to acknowledge that 24-year-old Lowry still has room to grow, too. I'd agree that they are the same "type" of player in the same way that Roderick Rhodes was the same "type" of player. Heck, Brooks and JL3 were the same "type" of player as each other, but Brooks is just much, much better. Clarence Weatherspoon was the same "type" of player as Barkley, but he just wasn't nearly as good. Having a similar niche doesn't mean anything if you don't have the consistent game to back it up. A 1-1 A/TO ratio and .319 shooting percentage doesn't come anywhere close to cutting it, and Lowry would have been bashed if he sucked that bad, too.
And therein lies the difference between you, Daryl Morey, and some loudmouthed yahoo in Austin with a web cam. You see Steve Novak, he sees the Next Tom Chambers. You see Vasilis Spanoulis, he seesthe Next Steve Nash. It's like in Looney Tunes cartoons when a hungry dog would look at the FogHorn LegHorn and see a stuffed turkey walking around instead of fog horn leghorn. When people fit into his little boxes, he can't help himself. edit: Just like he can't help himself from reading this post, which he did, which is why eh went back and edited his last post to read "cue the personal insults"
You mean a player can not play like another unless they are in the NBA? That is strange. No one makes comparisons about John Wall because he only played in College? Or Sergio Llull or Rubio because they play only in Europe. VSpan's style is nearly a carbon copy of Lowry's....and if VSpan stayed in Houston for more than his rookie year, that is the type of player he would have become...in the NBA. But, that is all opinion, even if it is right on the money. Of course I agree that they can both get better, that was my entire point about VSpan, some dunderheads on here were making the innane suggestion that he would not improve. Anyone can improve....that was and still is 100% my point. Now Cue the personal insults from folks ....ready set go.... DD
No. I mean two players can play exactly alike, stylistically, and one can be great while the other one suck.
That is true. But I would never say a guy sucked after a few games in a rookie year in which he was in a new country, playing a system that did not fit him, and under a new language, and a coach that clashed with him personally. I would say that if it were year 3, but never after year one. Either way, the point stands, Lowry and VSpan play the same type of game, and many people that are now bashing Brooks and loving on Lowry were the same ones that were bashing VSpan. The hypocrisy abounds.....on here..... Personal insults is all they have..........they got nothing...... DD
Of course you can't make comparisons with players unless they are in the same league. Different league, different styles, different competition. A player who plays like Dirk in CBA would not be anything alike if he was in the NBA. He may have to switch his playing style to suit the different competition, and his current style of play may not work in the NBA. If we followed this logic, there would be hundreds of people playing like Kobe Bryant. Should we sign them all because they will eventually turn out to be Kobe Bryants? Not to mention, Kyle Lowry is a far better defender and passer than V-Span.
This is why people jump on you every time you say something, not unquestionable You think you know everything, at least your posts sound like it, and let´s be real, you can make hundreds of comparisons, saying: This guys game is similar to this one", and this affirmation has 0 to do to who is better, just playing styles. And when someone does this kind of comparisons, it is almost irrelevant, because that is stating the obvious and making other conclusions after that obvious statement, it is like saying that Rubio reminds me of Nash, and imagining Rubio only gets 1 year in the NBA, and then say, that Rubio could have been as good as Nash, just because they have similar playing styles, ignoring who has better skill set PeAcE
Sorry but VSpan doesn't have 1/10 of the heart and grit that Lowry has. If he did he would have nutted up, worked hard and not quit because JVG was tough on him. Right now there is no comparison, you don't see Lowry crying because he's not starting, he wants too, so he just works harder and wrecks shop when he plays. VSpan quit because he thought he was owed the time on the court. So he ran back home to momma to smoke cigarettes and play in an inferior league.
We have stuff like this Or stuff like this: You have stuff like this: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5339487&postcount=63 Bonus DD quote on David Lee in 2006 I found while digging this up: I mean, I SUPPOSE you could count that as a personal insult, but who is doing the insulting? I'm not the one who said it. DD is. Did he just personally insult himself?
Lowry, even in his rookie year, at age 20, was head and shoulders better than V-Span was in his rookie season. The fact is, in the NBA, you don't get a lot of chances to prove yourself. Everyone has room to improve, anyone could theoretically become a quality starter, given enough minutes and role on a team. But the NBA doesn't give that many chances to 24-year-old 2nd round picks. If you don't demonstrate anything year one and the team didn't invest a high pick on you, you can't assume that you'll be given that chance to improve in the league. That's just the facts, and it's always been that way.
You might be right, but I guess if he was asked to shoot 3 pointers he might have struggled some too. True, which is why both Adelman and Morey tried very hard to get him to come back. Hey, but what do they know????? DD
stop the silly feud. you guys add so much to this forum ... why tarnish your credibility with this nonsense?
DD they have the same playing style but the level is different. The difference bet V-span and Lowry is twice as large as the difference between Lowry and Rondo! That's like saying Brian Cook=Dirk Nowitzki, Jerome James= Tim Duncan, Shawn Bradley=Hakeem.
