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Rockets Matching Cavs Lowry Offer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cardpire, Jul 14, 2010.

  1. Prince

    Prince Member

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    what does that mean?
     
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    please see

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5445556&postcount=89

    the conley/lowry argument is silly and wrong



    --as for late game situations I would rather have Martin..Brooks has hit many a clutch shot no doubt for the Rockets but he has also shown a tendency for turning the ball over a lot too late in games because of his decision making and size..also Brooks has shown a tendency to miss crucial free throws late in games as well -- Martin is a far more polished scorer who can create contact and hits his free throws late.

    early this season Brooks was the only option I am sure the coaching staff will give Martin his chance next season if the situation arises for a late game basket.

    The images of Brooks trying to get into traffic and having no fouls called (because he doesnt seek contact the way Martin and Lowry do) or turning it over haunt me even now.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Literally the agent is saying he wanted Morey to give Lowry an actual market value offer instead of the qualifying offer.
     
  4. rlivz

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    What's with all the Brooks hate and trade requests? AB has been our best player since the LA playoff series. He made the most threes in the league last year by far with no legitimate double team threat in the post. Enter Yao. In regards to the "Brooks and Yao don't mesh well" sentiment... they haven't played in a game together in a year and a half, and AB has since won the MIP award.

    Lowry is strong pushing the break and finishing at the rim in an unclogged lane, while shooting poorly from range. Yao being in the game results in slower-paced play, a more compact lane, and open looks from range... do the math.

    That said, Lowry is the perfect compliment to AB and I'm very happy we matched.
     
  5. leebigez

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    The last time you see martin close a game will be the first because he doesn't do it. The part about brooks getting into traffic comes with maturity and evollving. Late n the games, the refs want call a foul and you know this whether you make contact or not. Thats why you see so many game winners or late game shots come from range off the dribble. Lowry can't do it and martin can't either. Its about making shots under durress and stress and brooks is the best the rockets have right now because he is a triple threat.
     
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    Then again, maybe not. Maybe last year was his first full season with the Rockets, and now that he is entering his second full season with the team, it will be time for him to take his rightful place as the Rockets QB (starting point guard).
     
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    What did DM say about this....



    Personally isolation play for AB = fail even though it might be our best chance.

    AB is also notorious on missing critical free throws....
     
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    Better to have an asset, than to not have one regardless of the contract if the
    owner is willing to spend money.

    I see it this way, if a Chris Paul is available...if Deron Williams becomes unhappy...If Lowry's ever included in a deal for a any "star", it will be a lot easier for salaries to match.
     
  9. Prince

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    Dominant teams avoid close games.
     
  10. Prince

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    wow. that implies that they're not happy with the number? greedy.
     
  11. Prince

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    Lowry should not gun for a starter position. The way he 's playing he's prone to injury. If he plays longer minutes, there's a higher chance of getting injured.
     
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    He also said height is overrated. No matter how good you are as a team, you're going to play some close games. Kobe bailed la out like 9 times last year and they were a good team. Even the new Heat with theteam they will have will play some close games.
     
  13. Hakeemtheking

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    I. Smith just got a invite for training camp, but dude has to make those ft's.
     
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    It means Lowry wanted a deal with the rockets, negotiate with them first and foremost. Morey told him to see what he could get from another team.
     
  15. QdoubleA

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    Naw, they're more than happy with the number, you better believe that. What his agent is doing is angling for future contract talks, making it seem like if the Rockets offered Lowry a reasonable contract they would have signed and everything would be peaches. In reality he would have taken that deal and showed it to the cavs, forcing them to offer more, then the Rockets would have to top that etc etc, basically a bidding war. Can't blame him though, he's playing the game same as Morey, just doing whats in his best interest.
     
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    http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

    not updated to include this season where you will see Aaron Brooks shoot up but it included the last 5 nba seasons including the seasons where Martin too himself was sitting on the NBA bench


    So martin has 6 which isn't bad there are other players on there that are less notable than Martin with more but if you look at the FG %

    Of the people head of Martin only Carmello, Pau Gasol, Okur, Jamison, and Hedo shot better than him

    Though it must be said that there are several others who also hit 6 shots that shot better than martin's 42.9%


    looking at "clutch play" in 07-08 Martin was one of the tops in the league

    http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

    he fell quite a bit in 08-09 but still in the top 30 or so -- in this season (08-09) Brooks was two spots ahead of Martin



    While Martin isnt Melo or Kobe in the Clutch to say he doesnt play big in late in games or hit game winners is not true heck his biggest shot of his career came as a game winner in the playoffs

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    Brooks' maturation as a passer/decision maker has come and gone IMO if he is a point guard and at the age of 25 (or is he 26?) if he hasnt developed the skills now he probably will not the rest of his career. He is not a terrible passer of course but the guy is a score first PG and in a lineup where you have Yao, Scola and Martin all as more efficient scoring options you do not want your PG to have the highest usage % like he did last year (note: I am purposefully excluded Brian Cook who did have the highest because a) he sucks b) he sucks c) he sucks d) garbage time doesnt count and e) he really sucks )

    Its nice to have a PG that can score the ball as well as Brooks but if he is looking to keep scoring like he did last season then it does not bode well for the Rockets IMO -- and he very well could look for a bigger role since its a contract year for him and just coming off the MIP award regressing will not be good for the $$$ that are due to him.
     
  17. Prince

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    I see. there's no point to offer him numbers. they already made it clear taht they're going to match. It was another way of telling Kyle to sell himself instead of letting DM do the math.
     
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    Yo-yo, you're better than this or that video. That was a freaking fast break! C'mon man. Let me say this, brooks will not be forced to carry the offensive load like he did last year with ariza,battier,and hayes all starting in the same time. Even with yao back, yao will get like 9 shots in 25 mins, ariza shots will also go down. Scola is a play finisher for the most parts. He will get most of his points from outworking guys, running the court, and shooting the open mid range shot. This offense will be totally different with the collection of brooks,martin,ariza,scola, and yao. I expect brooks ppg to drop, but his fg% and asst to go up and to's to go down. He has started less than 2 full seasons which is the same reason people expect lowry to get better with maturation. Aren't brooks and lowry like the same age? I expect brooks to be like 18ppg and 6 asst 45%fg 40 3pt. Everyone will have to adjust to having yao, but yao will also have to adjust to being off the blocks and at the free throw line. If you think they can go back and waste shot clock trying to get yao the ball like in years past and hopes it works, thats would be pretty dumb. Lowry is a good bench player, but who know, maybe someone will offer up something good for brooks.
     
  19. Hakeemtheking

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    That means the Lowry camp would have liked to have gotten a reasonable offer from the Rockets instead of WAITING for other teams to dictate how much Lowry was worth.

    From a player's standpoint, I understand that position.
     
  20. Hakeemtheking

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    Very good post. Rep'ed.
     

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