No, because then we wouldn't be able to make snide comments about how there are so many Bosh threads. And seriously, where's the fun in that?
I know this is about the 100th thread concerning this and I'm staying consistent. I think the 2 teams people are underestimating are the thunder and spurs. Ok City really enough room to sign him outright if need be. If that doesn't work, but since they do have alot of cap room, they don't have to give away matching salaries. They could offer green and kristic for bosh and still have a title worthy young team. The spurs are another team who can offer a good package. Not only that, they have championship pedigree and pieces in place to make a run. Jefferson has an expiring contract of 13m and splitter is the best big overseas. The spurs can offer that package especially with toronto wanting to be an international type team and do the deal. He would have the same benefits of every no tax state has to offer, plus a team that knows how to win titles. Tim Duncan is still a very good player as is manu, and parker. Pop has 4 rings and has won 50 games despite injuries and everything else. Not only that, he's 300 miles from dallas which is just close enough and just far away.
The teams that put all their eggs in a basket and sold all their future assets and draft picks to free up room for Lebron and Wade will be their biggest competition. If these teams do not pick up one of 3 players (Lebron, Wade, Bosh)... then the past three years and at least two more will be major failures. Seeing as though Lebron and Wade are almost certain to stay, the one name that is going to be the main push is Bosh. The teams who's recent future mostly rely on Bosh's decision are as follows: 1. Miami - I only put them here because if they cannot get one of three free agent PF's (Bosh, Amare, Boozer) then Wade has made it clear he will be unsatisfied and might look elsewhere, which means they will be in desperation mode to sign one of these three. 2. Knicks - Enough said. They have totally dismembered their whole team with the exception of 4 players who are not cornerstone pieces. Blood will be shed if they do not pick up Bosh, because Lebron and Wade are almost certainly not coming over. 3. Chicago - Similar situation to New York but not as extreme. They still have their PG of the future and pairing him up with whatever second tier free agent PF will still be a formitable duo that can at least get them the 8th seed in the east next year. But not getting Bosh will still be considered a failure. -The Rockets are somewhere in the second tier of teams that are still competitive without a big signing but have pieces to move. The competition in the group looks something like this: 4. Dallas- Has pieces to move that are worth value, and an owner who will go way over the cap to win now. They are still committed to Dirk so they are more likely to go after a wing player, but dont be surprised if they make a push for Bosh anyways and plan on playing him at Center if they could get him. 5. Houston- Be careful what you wish for. The only way we can compete for Bosh is if he simply just wants to come here. Yes we have assets to give Toronto in return but how much do you value a formatable surrounding cast for the future. You just might be giving up too much. Expect Morey to make a play but be cautious in getting in a bidding war with a high demand, low supply product. 6. Oklahoma City- Oklahoma knows that if they can lock up Durant, Westbrook, and another All-star for the future they are set to be competitive for a real long time. An all star low post player is exactly what they need to complete the puzzle.
correct me if i am wrong. salary match of S&T has nothing to do with your cap room. let's say. you have only one player under contract with 10 mil. it means you have 46 mils cap space. if you want to get a superstar who demands 20 mil contract and his team is willing to do S&T, you can't just trade your only player to get the superstar coz the salary doesn't match even you have 46 mil cap space.
The salaries have to be within 25% if the teams are over the cap. In relation to ok city, they can basically offer bosh a contract starting at 15m per which might not be enough. So they could throw in kristic and his player option of 5.8 and start at 17m. The spurs could offer jefferson and his 15m which would put them within the 25% rule and splitter and get it done. The spurs option is very scary really. The ability to add bosh to a team with championship pedigree would be cheating. Duncan played well again, parker was on,manu played well once he was healthy and now you add bosh? That would be very,very ugly.
Bosh wants to be the man. He would be more that here than OKC. The spurs are an interesting thought but what would they trade? George Hill is the only attractive thing I can think of on their roster.
Sounds to me that we are not seeing things in reality due to the smoke and mirrors. Possibly, Morey wants to goad the Mavs into taking Bosh. So that the Mavs wont interfere with his plans.
i know what you are talking. there is something missing. according to the rule you described, new york just can do S&T with toronto w/o giving anything to toronta if let's say toronto just do bosh a favor to give him a better max contract than one that bosh can get from new york through free agent signing.
Bosh will likely have a list of teams he'd go to. Dallas will be on that list. Houston will probably be on that list. Many other teams could be on that list. One Toronto gets that list, they do have some control over what they get and from whom.
another thing we might have to understand is the difference btw a trade and a S&T. for example, you can trade a player to a team w/ enough cap space just for cash consideration. it's common way to lower your salary to avoid the luxury tax.
Pretty much. They can do a sign and trade and give toronto a 2nd rd pick if they wanted to so he can get the most money. NY doesn't have to take back any money, nor do ok city. Lewis was signed and traded from seattle. If you have the room, you don't have to take back anything. Bima can correct me if I'm wrong, but check this out and I'm not dsaying this is how it will go down, just giving you an example. Say for some strnge reason bosh wants to go to NY and wants the most money. Right now, the knick only have 17m committed to salaries next year and the cap will be 55m. That would give them 38m in cap room. They could offer bosh the max allowed which is i think a salary starting at 17m. The team with his bird rights can offer an increase in years and raises throughout the contract. To make things even more intereting in this whole pursuit by the knick is they can absorb salary and curry is in the last year of his deal. So say Toronto will buckle and do a sign and trade with bosh, they might want to also dump a player with a longer deal also like calderon. The knick can do a sign and trade with bosh and calderon which would equal 26m and take back the expiring deal of curry. That type of deal would still leave the knicks with only 38m committed to salaries and thats the offer a qualifying(2.8m) to sergio rodriguez and team option for giddens(1.1) and walker (854k). Sergio not being tendered can drop them another 2.8m which would add almost 3m which is almost 20m left in the bank. 20m can go along ways and they can go over the cap so the can then use the lle and mle. Again, they could absorb a salary of a guy like al jefferson or go after wade. They have options and will be a major player in the market.
I read what you wrote and I don't know why people keep putting Brooks in trade discussions. I don't think an elite player would come here if Brooks was included in the trade.
I don't understand why everyone is saying Dallas. I seriously doubt they'll want to trade Nowitzki. And, I seriously doubt Bosh wants to go to a team where he can't even start at his own position. My other feeling is that the contender requirement will probably be pretty loose. I think middling teams that have cap-space (like Chicago or Miami) will end up being attractive and even NY will be if they fill their other FA slot with a max-worthy player.
Dallas is far from being a top choice IMO for Bosh. Bosh wouldn't be the "man" in Dallas because of Dirk. They really don't have much in assets. They have Beaubois, Dampier's non-guarentee contract, and Caron Butler's expiring contract. Toronto has a great GM. He isn't stupid enough to make that type of deal. The thing we need to remember is Toronto has just as much leverage as Bosh does. He wants to get the most money and they want to get some assets. So for this to happen, they both have to find a team that fits both their needs. I think Houston has a shot but we've seen how these things never really work out in our favor. I trust Morey so I think he'll bring someone here. The part is not to give away too much of our core. We have a good thing here that needs minor improvements along with good health.
I'm glad you pointed this out. Bosh needs a big that can take the load off of him just like Yao. How many good centers out there can actually provide that for him? Not many... Chicago, IMO, doesn't have a lot of assets to give Toronto in a sign n trade. They can use Deng but he's more of a 3. I don't see them giving away Noah. They can use Taj Gibson but I think Toronto would want more. I would say that having Bosh, Rose, Deng, and Noah is a great start for building for a contender. They'll still need a SG. Chicago would be a great fit for Bosh but the key question is what does Chicago have to offer Toronto in a SnT. They have enough money to sign him straight up but I'm not sure that's the route Bosh wants to go.
Rockets don't really have much competition as long as Morey is in our corner. We should avoid trading Brooks Lowry, Martin, Scola, or Yao, even though he aint going nowhere, for Bosh. Everyone else is fair game. Ariza or Battier need to go in the offseason. I rather us trade Ariza, but Toronto would want Battier. Budinger should stay if one of them go, but if it is him that leaves, I wouldn't mind if Battriza stay. Hill would almost have to be included in any S&T package involving Bosh. Jeffries contract could be valuable at the trade deadline, but I can see Morey dealing him this offseason for Bosh or for a similar expiring deal.
